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post #11 of 18 (permalink) Old 11-08-2007, 09:10 PM
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1. kimura
2. americana
3. straight armbar
4. leg americana
5. have no idea what its called, but you pinch your opponents far-side arm between your chin and shoulder (thumb against your neck), step over their head, grip your own hand around their elbow, and pull their elbow in the wrong direction.
6. Wizzer on their near side arm, step over head, bend elbow the wrong direction.
The last two make no sense.

The other ones that you should learn, at least for later, are as follows (since I'm pretty sure they aren't what you mean):

1) Far side armbar (you probably only use the same side one, because you're a white belt, but the far side one is pretty cool)

2) Arms crucifix (awesome submission, though it's illegal in competitions, it's great for MMA and for the street, where it completely immobilizes your opponent)

3) Gi choke (it's a lapel choke that my instructor really likes, and it's also great because it sets up from the hammer lock position, or the position you get to right before setting up the armbar)

4) Kneebar (works great if you hook the knee and pass to a reverse mount once you know how to lock it up)

5) Guillotine chokes (great escape prevention) which you can see my piece on in my training log.



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The last two make no sense.

The other ones that you should learn, at least for later, are as follows (since I'm pretty sure they aren't what you mean):

1) Far side armbar (you probably only use the same side one, because you're a white belt, but the far side one is pretty cool)

2) Arms crucifix (awesome submission, though it's illegal in competitions, it's great for MMA and for the street, where it completely immobilizes your opponent)

3) Gi choke (it's a lapel choke that my instructor really likes, and it's also great because it sets up from the hammer lock position, or the position you get to right before setting up the armbar)

4) Kneebar (works great if you hook the knee and pass to a reverse mount once you know how to lock it up)

5) Guillotine chokes (great escape prevention) which you can see my piece on in my training log.
Yeah, I almost deleted the post because I couldn't think of a way to describe them. I'm going to look through Bas Rutten's book to see if I can get a picture. The submissions really do exist. I swear.
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Here are pictures of the two that "don't make sense."

I have learned far side armbars. I just looked it up. We've learned at least 3 far side armbars. (Far side armbar from knee on belly, far side armbar (quick armbar) from guard, and another that I can't find a picture or name for...) I use/attempt to use them regularly.

And I think that by straight armbar I was referring to a straight keylock.

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Kneebar... I like it. I have no idea how to set it up, but I'm going to look for an explanation somewhere, unless you'll be so kind as to hook me up with one of your easy to implement descriptions.

I only know knee bars from half-guard (bottom).
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I haven't used this technique, but I have been put in this several times. Although I never tapped from this It ****ed up my elbow for weeks.
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Here are pictures of the two that "don't make sense."

I have learned far side armbars. I just looked it up. We've learned at least 3 far side armbars. (Far side armbar from knee on belly, far side armbar (quick armbar) from guard, and another that I can't find a picture or name for...) I use/attempt to use them regularly.

And I think that by straight armbar I was referring to a straight keylock.

It's great having people online who have knowledge enough to teach me something over the Internet. I can actually say that I learned something on MMAforum today!
The top one is just an inverted armbar. You can do it from guard too, if your opponent puts his hands above your shoulders. I've found it's particularly effective if he misses a punch.

The bottom one is Bas' variation of an armbar from sidecontrol. He's doing an elbow tuck armbar, which increases leverage, but makes it a little bit harder to get, because you're not hooking the elbow. His positioning is also pretty wierd on the technique, I'd never attack a submission from that position, but I'm not Bas.

Personally, I have found that both armbars, near and far side armbars, are really good, because most newcomers to jiu-jitsu and most MMA fighters who are just getting started don't think about them from that position, they are just worried about the shoulder locks (americana, Kimura, etc.) which also makes the straight, pinned version of the inverted armbar effective too.



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The top one is just an inverted armbar. You can do it from guard too, if your opponent puts his hands above your shoulders. I've found it's particularly effective if he misses a punch.

The bottom one is Bas' variation of an armbar from sidecontrol. He's doing an elbow tuck armbar, which increases leverage, but makes it a little bit harder to get, because you're not hooking the elbow. His positioning is also pretty wierd on the technique, I'd never attack a submission from that position, but I'm not Bas.

Personally, I have found that both armbars, near and far side armbars, are really good, because most newcomers to jiu-jitsu and most MMA fighters who are just getting started don't think about them from that position, they are just worried about the shoulder locks (americana, Kimura, etc.) which also makes the straight, pinned version of the inverted armbar effective too.
Now that I look at the bottom one, I see that the version I know is a little different. We do it with the elbow hooked.

These armbars also--almost--work against more advanced grapplers when they know that I'm a white belt. I won't say that I managed to submit a brown belt, but he was REALLY surprised that I knew far side armbars. I laughed... then he escaped and submitted me 4 times, but it was funny for a minute.

I guess my point in my posts is that having a series of 6 or more submissions at your disposal from side control increases your chance at locking in the submission that started this thread. I got a leg kimura again (I think that's 4 now) because I had my opponents far-side arm isolated and was defending against submissions on that arm. He was trying to free up his other arm, I quickly popped it into position, lifted his head, and it was over.

BTW... if anyone is interested, Bas' book is posted somewhere on this site. If you search for it you should be able to find it. I love it, but unfortunately, he doesn't name anything, so you may know 10 armbar variations, but you'll have no idea what they're called.
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that look sick!!! never seen that before
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