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Old 09-24-2007, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone else tried this?

The first time I saw this, I thought it was one of those submissions that would never work if you tried it a thousand times, but I've been able to submit a few guys with it.

YouTube - Americana Armlock

Has anyone else tried to use it before? By the way, the link says Americana Armlock, but it's not the standard Americana.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah I did that against a new guy to my gym, I love that technique. I call it the Leg Kimura, however.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The Americana using the legs off of side control. That's a good hold right there if your opponent forgets where their near-side hand is. It's not one that you'll hit too often on a more experienced guy, but it's usually largely available when you settle into the scarf hold/head-and-arm off of side control/kesa gatame position.

The reason why it's not seen too often against more experienced guys is two-fold:

1) Most experienced guys won't give you too much time to actually settle into that position. They'll be bucking, bridging and turning in order to create space and wiggle room. This doesn't give the top guy too much time to reach for the hold if they're concerned with maintaining control.

2) Once you try to control the bottom man's near arm to start working it from that position, your intentions become real obvious. If they hadn't started working actively yet, once you clue them in that you want their arm they'll start moving with a frantic sense of purpose. Some may even let you play with their arm to set you up for an escape. Once you're concentrating on the arm, you give up a post to use for control. That makes sweeping or escaping the bottom side of that position a lot easier.

Once you do get the lock with your legs, the results come pretty quick. Some of the holds I've seen involve locking the near arm with the legs in the Americana, and then reaching for the far arm for a Kimura or Straight Arm Bar. This creates the situation where the guy on the bottom starts tapping with their feet or yelling out "TAP! TAP!" because their hands are all tied up.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yes i have used that before i also use a variation of that by stepping on my opponets wrist for a straight arm bar, we call it ude hishigi ashi gatame(basiclly any foot to arm joint lock).. it is used with great success if you have a good scarf hold. good for gi and nogi.
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I've tried it on the mat, but, realistically, I'd never use it in competition or on the street, it's too easy for someone to see coming and make it really hard to get. It just seems like a waste of time for me.

Some techniques are just flashy, some work. I have tried to avoid spending time on the ones that are too fancy. The technique looks tight, and controlling leverage looks really easy, but I just don't think the set up is practical. If I'm in that position, I generally go to chest-to-chest and attack the opposite arm or the throat, depending on which one is being defended.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 10-11-2007, 05:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Pulled it off three times today at practice....so Im starting to like it actually....
Ive always known about this move...just never tried it...
but with a little more experience on how to balance it properly...I might just add it to my arsenal...
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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its cool and usable sometimes but I wouldnt spend too much time drilling it or anyting.
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:54 AM   #9 (permalink)
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its a good move never seen it before im going to start training it but i do know of a move from that same position where you use on of your legs and put their arn on top if and then use the other leg to pull it down but from that position i usually just put their arm in between my legs and reach over to the other arm and get them ina kimura even if they flip me over the hold is already in and they will tap
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I've managed to pull it off against 3 people, but they were all white belts (like me) who I regularly submit.

I use it as 1 of 6 submissions from side control. I'm not so hot with terminology, but I think you'd call it a 6-lock flow.
1. kimura
2. americana
3. straight armbar
4. leg americana
5. have no idea what its called, but you pinch your opponents far-side arm between your chin and shoulder (thumb against your neck), step over their head, grip your own hand around their elbow, and pull their elbow in the wrong direction.
6. Wizzer on their near side arm, step over head, bend elbow the wrong direction.

I'm terrible with these descriptions. We don't use terminology in class so I only know how to show someone else, not describe it.

The point is, it is a low-percentage move, but if it's one of six, you have that option depending on what your opponent is doing with their arms.

When I've caught someone with a leg-americana it was because they were focusing on avoiding one of the other 5 submissions in my list. I quickly (very quickly) refocus on their near-side arm and get the leg-americana.
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