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Old 10-07-2007, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have some advice for helping a former wrestler who wants to learn Ju-jitsu get over his fear of being on his back. He keeps twisting and exposing his back. AS we all know is not a good thing.
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The way I got over that was rolling, rolling, and more rolling
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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tell him dont roll over? i was the same. but bjj is much more natural to me. not being on your back is wierd. for me all i did was remember to get guard.

practice with him on his back and you on top.
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Make him go to sleep that will teach him. How big is he and how good of a wrestler is he. You could turn his fear into a strength by having him focus on his top game, he will have to learn the bottom game but you know what I mean.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Drill, drill and drill some more...

....teach him the various sweeps and counters from bottom position (he doesnt have to be there if he doesnt want to..most of the time).....and tons of submissions from guard....
once you get a submission from your back you feel 10xs more confident the next time you find yourself there......the more the better......teach him that he can be dangerous from anywhere....and maybe most importantly......

TAP HIM OUT over and over when he's in YOUR guard!!!.....It wont take long before he realizes that he's gotta learn it....and that there is nothing wrong with being there.....
think about it....hes prob spent his whole grappling career thinking that if your back is to the mat...you lose...or you suck..............gotta break the habit...
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Hmm some good advice.. kid is quick and strong.. but he lacks submission skills.. I'll let you all know how some of these ideas go..
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....teach him the various sweeps and counters from bottom position (he doesnt have to be there if he doesnt want to..most of the time).....and tons of submissions from guard....
once you get a submission from your back you feel 10xs more confident the next time you find yourself there......the more the better......teach him that he can be dangerous from anywhere....and maybe most importantly......

TAP HIM OUT over and over when he's in YOUR guard!!!.....It wont take long before he realizes that he's gotta learn it....and that there is nothing wrong with being there.....
think about it....hes prob spent his whole grappling career thinking that if your back is to the mat...you lose...or you suck..............gotta break the habit...
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Thanks man...

I try.......giveith information...and you shall receiveith....lol
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Hey Don, you doing subs only or are you doing MMA? Reason I ask is that I've found a quick way to break a Wrestler of that habit (aside from showing you can submit off your back), is to let them turtle up and box them around the ears a bit. Nothing too hard, just enough to show him another reason not to give up your back.

Other than that, a lot of drilling will need to be done to help "re-wire" his normal habits. Arm him with a set of sweeps and escapes first. Those will play into his wrestler mentality a lot easier than teaching him how to submit. Once he gets confident in his ability to get out from under his opponent, then start throwing in submissions from the bottom in bite-size portions. That way you aren't working against his wrestling background, but you'd be working an adjusted approach in conjunction to his wrestling background.
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Anyone have some advice for helping a former wrestler who wants to learn Ju-jitsu get over his fear of being on his back. He keeps twisting and exposing his back. AS we all know is not a good thing.
There are a few drills I'd work with.

The first is doing alot of armbars and triangles from guard. As soon as you start to feel like you can attack your opponent off of your back, a certain amount of that discomfort goes away.

The other thing is to work on sweeps. Using sweeps is a big deal for alot of wrestlers because it's a great way to get yourself in a position where you are more comfortable. While I don't think it's as good as learning to be aggressive with armbars, triangles and even a solid rubber guard game, it seems to work for alot of the transitioning wrestlers I work with.

The number one thing that you should do is work at fighting off of your back. The more you do it, the better you will get. I suggest doing alot of drills and getting really comfortable with a couple of techniques, like armbars and triangles and maybe a few sweeps. Then you can focus on your versatility. Still, though, you should spend alot of time focussing on your game there.
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