any sub that makes me tap hurts. i have had both arms torn and that hurts, i been cranked, that hurt,
caught in leg attacks, that sucks i tap before they hurt because i am so new to them(judo backround), the only ones that don't hurt as bad is blood chokes.... until i realize what happened and my head starts pounding.
i like chokes, because if you don't tap you sleeping, joint locks many tap before it pops, some tap after it pops, but i have heard stories no tap it pops and they still want to attack.
"every second your not training, he is..... and he is doing it, just to kick your ass"