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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-28-2007, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNegation
I almost got choked out by a friend with 0 experience in any martial arts a few days ago. I was drunk and went in for a tackle to pick him up, and the guy jumped up and wrapped me in his guard with a guillotine choke. Anyway he choked me fairly hard for a few seconds while I was in a standing guard and I ended up falling face first down onto a concrete path and almost splitting my head open. This guy has no experience in anything,he just watches UFC. I was drunk, being cocky and did something I would never do in a real fight, but still it was embarassing.
I actually did get CTFO by a friend during a drunken bout like that. He has absolutely no fighting experience and I felt like a total loser. He's a big time gym rat and simply totally out powered me. It sucked pretty hard but it solidified my decision to take the rest of the year off from training and spend all of my time strength training and cutting down to the 145 weight class.

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post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-29-2007, 12:04 AM
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In reply to the question posed by the title of the thread:

It doesn't, not permanently anyway. At worst, I feel stupid for a few minutes, but that doesn't stop me from taking advice. I try to learn something from every class. It doesn't matter whether I learn it from the guy who started yesterday or the one who's been doing it for 5 years. I submitted one guy a couple times in a class and still learned something from him. Sometimes it's hard to know exactly why you got caught in a submission and it takes the other guy to point it out to you.
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I agree with the above post. The way that I look at it, you're there to learn. Why would you be angry that the guy submitted you? Suck it up, and get over it. If you win every bout then you probably don't need to be in the class.
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This might be a little too blunt, but you really need to get over it.

If I lose, I have no problem getting angry and trying to smash my opponent, but once I leave the mat, I let the aggression go.

Part of training is leaving it all on the mat. If you don't like a guy you are training with, deal with it either by avoiding him or by telling him to leave you alone.

If anyone gives you unsolicited advice, especially if it's stupid, shake it off. Still, it never hurts to learn, even if it's from someone you don't like who's got less experience than you.

Hope you're problems are improving, but really, you need to leave it on the mat.

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How does grappling effect my ego? Simple...

It makes me very, very humble.

It makes me realize that I'm not the biggest and baddest mofo out there (something I already know). It also makes me realize that it is a fairly simple undertaking to injure someone. Why?

If I get beat by someone who's better, it shows me that I can be beaten by anyone at any time. Further, it tells me that there's always someone better than me out there.

If I get off the mat with my elbow, knee, back, neck or ankle feeling tender after having to play uke, bottom guard, or demonstration dummy for new guys, I come to the realization that being able to injure someone else while grappling isn't a phenomenal thing at all. In fact, if some newbie can put a hurting on my arm (and he hasn't spent a fraction of the time I've spent on the mat) it doesn't make it any better that I can do the same.

Win or lose, it's all a very humbling experience.

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Originally Posted by Deadpool
I actually did get CTFO by a friend during a drunken bout like that. He has absolutely no fighting experience and I felt like a total loser. He's a big time gym rat and simply totally out powered me. It sucked pretty hard but it solidified my decision to take the rest of the year off from training and spend all of my time strength training and cutting down to the 145 weight class.
I think that the drunken part played a big part of you and Negation's experience. When inebriated or just mentally absent, its easy to just throw technique out the window and fight with strength. In such a situation, the stronger and more aggressive guy will always win.

Strength training is a good idea in general (I ought to take it up myself =P ) but at 145 you'll NEVER be the strongest guy around. If strength dictates fighting ability, smaller guys will always be screwed. And while it does definitely make a difference (size/strength advantage), it can be negated by a cool head, the right level of aggression, and techinque.

As for the original topic, I agree that it is annoying when people who you're clearly more skilled than give you advice. It is a blow to the ego. Yet, sometimes, they do know something you don't (or at least something I dont). As such, unless the suggestion is blatantly stupid or wrong, I try to keep an open mind to it.

But similar to Onganju, grappling takes away from my ego. Why? 'Cause I'm always gettin' pwnt. =[

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After competing Saturday for the first time and losing 2-0 at NAGA, I came into class on Monday with a different attitude. From the beginning my primary interest has been in learning as much as possible every class. But I figured out that I was going to class and trying to win, and doing so frequently. What am I getting from beating guys that are at a lower level than me? Pretty much nothing.

So Monday I went in to class determined not to close my guard and NEVER to lie flat on my back when on the bottom. I have an extremely strong guard, so I think I've been doing the safe thing, keeping my guard closed, and waiting for the other guy to make a mistake, then sweeping him. That didn't work in competition.

So Monday I did what I planned, kept my guard open and got passed a couple of times by people who don't normally pass on me. I even got submitted by a guy that never catches me, but I congratulated him and didn't let it bother me.

The other guy I rolled with Monday is some Brazilian guy I've never seen before. He was good. But I kept my guard open and kept busy on the bottom, even getting to my feet whenever possible. If I had used my previous technique on this guy he would have killed me. If it were competition he would have pointed me, but he couldn't submit me in a ten minute war. I left that session feeling like I really learned something.

So if grappling effects your ego, you might want to skip competition until you're absolutely amazing because it's likely you're going to lose.

But if you want to advance your grappling by light-years as quickly as possible, compete, lose (or win), and learn more than you could possibly learn from 10 classes.
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