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Old 01-29-2008, 07:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No you dont have to wear them out to get an armbar, especially if they know nothing about grappling like the thread starter stated.

If you sink it in properly, thats it, he cant slam you proper, this isnt a trinagle choke, the slams would be weak. Get a good grip on the guys arms and armbar him, noway hell get out.
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i don't go for anything but escapes or sweep from the bottom, unless there is a sub that is 100% to land.
i like to make the big guy move alot, never on my back, and never under him without intent. most untrained people carry their wieght wrong and do not apply proper body to body contact, making it easy to escape, reversals. vs bigger guys i like to use body control, keep them on thier backs and make them panic.

i am 5'6" 145lbs, and most of my teammates are in higher wieght classes
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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No you dont have to wear them out to get an armbar, especially if they know nothing about grappling like the thread starter stated.

If you sink it in properly, thats it, he cant slam you proper, this isnt a trinagle choke, the slams would be weak. Get a good grip on the guys arms and armbar him, noway hell get out.
on triangles and armbars from the bottom, i hook the leg to prevent from getting slamed
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:51 AM   #14 (permalink)
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No you dont have to wear them out to get an armbar, especially if they know nothing about grappling like the thread starter stated.

If you sink it in properly, thats it, he cant slam you proper, this isnt a trinagle choke, the slams would be weak. Get a good grip on the guys arms and armbar him, noway hell get out.
i dont know if your fighting retards or what, but any decent fighter can get out of a armbar, street fight against some bum you can sink in arm bar and its done, but cmon, you fighting chumps or what?

edit : even with full hooks they can get out, so like i said your either fighting chumps or bitches.
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Old 01-30-2008, 09:32 AM   #15 (permalink)
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i dont know if your fighting retards or what, but any decent fighter can get out of a armbar, street fight against some bum you can sink in arm bar and its done, but cmon, you fighting chumps or what?

edit : even with full hooks they can get out, so like i said your either fighting chumps or bitches.
Is that why so many fights and grappling comps have ended with amrbars you idiot. How about your a retard who cant sink in a simple armbar you idiot. If it didnt work, no1 would be using it. learn how to submit people and come back to post.
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:36 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Arm Triangle - (assuming you can fit your arms around them) because the more muscle/fat sticking out the less you have to squeeze to cut off the blood. Plus, if you sink it in tight, the strength difference is inconsequential since there is very little movement from that position.

Black Out - (triangle variation) When you go for a triangle on a bigger guy, and can't quite reach around his back for the full figure four... or if he's stacking you... this is a great transition because they rarely expect it. Keep your hands behind his head and squeeze your forearms together on either side of his neck. Here's a video demo of on variation of the "black out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz0YyVECdWU
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Is that why so many fights and grappling comps have ended with amrbars you idiot. How about your a retard who cant sink in a simple armbar you idiot. If it didnt work, no1 would be using it. learn how to submit people and come back to post.
way to read all of my posts, idiot, i never said armbars dont work, they dont work against larger opponents, atleast not until they are gassed, that or they are chumps, like i said, so either you have never trained against a larger opponent or you have fought a can that was a larger opponent.

my main arguement was that a rear naked choke will always get the job done, unlike a armbar that someone could easily get out of.

******* retards.

im not the only one who said a bigger opponent can muscle his way out of a arm bar, so if you go into a fight against a larger opponent thinking you will arm bar him, its your funeral and your 12 stitches in the back of the head, idiot.

learn how to fight or gtfo.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Is that why so many fights and grappling comps have ended with amrbars you idiot. How about your a retard who cant sink in a simple armbar you idiot. If it didnt work, no1 would be using it. learn how to submit people and come back to post.
The armbar from mount is the most effective armbar usually, not from your guard(for realistic purposes). Also, if you watch old Gracie tapes where they are fighting in Brazil, they have the same strategy every time: clinch, take down, pass into mount, beat them up, take back, RNC. It's the most effective way to win a fight vs a larger person because you never put yourself in danger. Being on the bottom vs a bigger opponent is always advantageous to them
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The armbar from mount is the most effective armbar usually, not from your guard(for realistic purposes). Also, if you watch old Gracie tapes where they are fighting in Brazil, they have the same strategy every time: clinch, take down, pass into mount, beat them up, take back, RNC. It's the most effective way to win a fight vs a larger person because you never put yourself in danger. Being on the bottom vs a bigger opponent is always advantageous to them
my point EXACTLY, +rep, if your intent is to go out and armbar a larger opponent from stance without a take down your ****ed, like i said in a previous post, they have to be worn out or on there back, otherwise its a suicide mission, hell even fight a can that has no mma or even a single martial arts experience can muscle his way out, thats why i got pissed when this one idiot called me a idiot saying that a armbar would work, then someone did a comparrison of fedor, cmon, its fedor, he can armbar godzilla and win, regardless, rear naked choke > armbar, and if you were to watch the fedor fight again, it was the second try and that armbar you cant sneek out of, as for the technique, if you were against a dummy or a dead person, sure you could get a full lock no problem.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:25 AM   #20 (permalink)
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my point EXACTLY, +rep, if your intent is to go out and armbar a larger opponent from stance without a take down your ****ed, like i said in a previous post, they have to be worn out or on there back, otherwise its a suicide mission, hell even fight a can that has no mma or even a single martial arts experience can muscle his way out, thats why i got pissed when this one idiot called me a idiot saying that a armbar would work, then someone did a comparrison of fedor, cmon, its fedor, he can armbar godzilla and win, regardless, rear naked choke > armbar, and if you were to watch the fedor fight again, it was the second try and that armbar you cant sneek out of, as for the technique, if you were against a dummy or a dead person, sure you could get a full lock no problem.
Stop changing what you say you moron. Ofcoarse Rear naked choke > Armbar . Thats wasnt what the thread starter was asking dikhead. But armbars can be done from guard, probably the most effective submission from guard. Did i say that you should give the guy top control just so you can armbar him from guard? dont thinkso.

The question this guy was asking was when he wrestles(not streetfighting you moron) that he gets taken down by his much larger cousin and wants to know which submissiong are good from his back. And armbars are effective from the back, especially agaianst unskilled guys.

Srsly, Do youse know how to armbar from the guard properly? and if you do, how come you cant finish the move? is it cause he pulls his arm out or wat?
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