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Old 02-16-2008, 09:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Locks and chokes

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I personally like to end my bouts with locks or chokes. More than often chokes since they are much easier to apply. The choke that I typically use is either a rear-naked choke or a katahajime which is a half nelson choke.

I'm not as good with locks as I am with chokes, but some damn good joint locks are the achilles (ankle)lock, a kneebar, or a cross armbar
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Old 02-17-2008, 01:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Submission's of any nature are the best. It's about control, with striking...it's a little less controlled (ie: many varibles involved in a strike). I'm really partial to the arm-triangle and omoplata's. Stand-up figting is amazing in itself though.
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I've mastered and won competitions with the Flying-Triangle Choke.. Ask around -- I'm a big deal.

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I've mastered and won competitions with the Flying-Triangle Choke.. Ask around -- I'm a big deal.

I know you're a mod and all...are you joking? The whole "i'm a big deal"-thing. maybe you are...but why say it? Flying triangles are cool...but pretty rare to see in my experience. That may be why you've won with them...nobody see's it coming. Did you happen to compete in the Salvosa Tournament Last weekend?
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I know you're a mod and all...are you joking? The whole "i'm a big deal"-thing. maybe you are...but why say it? Flying triangles are cool...but pretty rare to see in my experience. That may be why you've won with them...nobody see's it coming. Did you happen to compete in the Salvosa Tournament Last weekend?
Haha - Totally joking man.

I would have been in that Salvosa' tournament, But I recently moved out to Alberta -- Near edmonton..

I didn't know you competed dude, that's awesome.

Do you do gi, or no-gi?

In all seriousness, if you do Gi... You see people pulling gaurd when you are in Gi, cause it's easier.. Well, sinstead of pulling gaurd, pull a triangle. The shit works. People don't expect it..

It's almost impossible in no-gi though.
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Haha - Totally joking man.

I would have been in that Salvosa' tournament, But I recently moved out to Alberta -- Near edmonton..

I didn't know you competed dude, that's awesome.

Do you do gi, or no-gi?

In all seriousness, if you do Gi... You see people pulling gaurd when you are in Gi, cause it's easier.. Well, sinstead of pulling gaurd, pull a triangle. The shit works. People don't expect it..

It's almost impossible in no-gi though.
no-gi...the whole pulling guard thing is kind of a funny grey area...you get deducted points (at least in no-gi)...so if you don't pull off the flying-triangle you might be behind in points...not sure about gi though...definetly have a higher % of catching someone with it in a gi.
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no-gi...the whole pulling guard thing is kind of a funny grey area...you get deducted points (at least in no-gi)...so if you don't pull off the flying-triangle you might be behind in points...not sure about gi though...definetly have a higher % of catching someone with it in a gi.

One point ussually doesn't make that much of a differant, IMO.


Ussually, if a match goes to the judges, it's obvious who wins.
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Ussually, if a match goes to the judges, it's obvious who wins.
You'd think 1 point doesn't matter much...A freind of mine lost (in sudden death overtime). The match was so close up to that point...he kept getting taken down...but kept coming up with sweeps...it was also in the no-gi beginners division (1.5yrs or less). It was b.s. call at the end...even the other guys coach thought he lost...the lesson here is don't let it go to the judges i guess
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You'd think 1 point doesn't matter much...A freind of mine lost (in sudden death overtime). The match was so close up to that point...he kept getting taken down...but kept coming up with sweeps...it was also in the no-gi beginners division (1.5yrs or less). It was b.s. call at the end...even the other guys coach thought he lost...the lesson here is don't let it go to the judges i guess
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Love em? hate em? Discuss here.

I personally like to end my bouts with locks or chokes. More than often chokes since they are much easier to apply. The choke that I typically use is either a rear-naked choke or a katahajime which is a half nelson choke.

I'm not as good with locks as I am with chokes, but some damn good joint locks are the achilles (ankle)lock, a kneebar, or a cross armbar
As a grappler, I tend to like any sort of submission hold. I find those things are good, and they work.

As far as a personal preference, my short list of favorite submissions are kimuras, guillotine choke/neck crank, omoplatas and toe holds. Also, the north/south choke and the neck cranks that I can use from that position.

Chokes are easy to apply when you can isolate the necks and apply pressure to the arteries or the throat, but against a good grappler, I rarely waste time working the choke when a neck crank or joint lock will suffice, because I find that I don't need to be as focused on perfect positioning, and during a match, adrenaline can often keep me from using the chokes as well as I would like to. I'd like to say that I'm fully capable of utilizing chokes to the best of my ability in the heat of battle, but that's just not the case. I'm not Marcelo Garcia and I don't pretend to be. In fairness, I tend to train my joint locks more because they work the most effectively in matches, but, like I said, I have a few chokes that work very, very well.

I do feel obliged to point out that the achilles lock is not technically a joint lock, as it will actually do no damage to a joint or bone. It's just a nerve pinch on the tendon, and worst case scenario it does some tendon damage. The leverage needs to be adjusted in order to really do serious damage to the leg.
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