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post #121 of 231 (permalink) Old 01-03-2009, 04:32 PM
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Hey everyone dishing out advice, I was wondering if anyone could link me to some vids of bottom escapes. I dont practice BJJ at a school, I'm looking for some help with my bottom game in wrestling. Gi or no gi doesnt really make a difference, I think just seeing anything would help. Thanks a bunch. I've got a solid switch, and can usually sit out pretty well, and the peterson and zambooie (I know i didnt spell that right) are all down, but getting into a position where those are handy is my problem.

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Bottom Escapes

Sorry. I've clearly been neglecting this thread. But I'm gonna try and get back on the grappling advice stuff.

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Hey everyone dishing out advice, I was wondering if anyone could link me to some vids of bottom escapes. I dont practice BJJ at a school, I'm looking for some help with my bottom game in wrestling. Gi or no gi doesnt really make a difference, I think just seeing anything would help. Thanks a bunch. I've got a solid switch, and can usually sit out pretty well, and the peterson and zambooie (I know i didnt spell that right) are all down, but getting into a position where those are handy is my problem.
I'd post videos, but some of the escapes are kind of complicated and very specific. Saulo's running escape is good from side control, but that's really the only one that works substantially at a beginner level.

Really, just work on popping your hips and shrimping your hips out. This is the best way to escape to the guard, whether from side control or mount. It forces the action on your opponent, while he's looking to slow the game down, and that's the way you want to make it go down. Just drill that one.



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The Crack-Down & Attacks (for Tango87)

Alright, so Tango87 wanted me to walk through the crack down, which I first picked up from wrestlers and modified for gi grappling and judo (where it destroys people). I have trouble setting it up in MMA, because fighters don't really lock up the same way. They use the Greco clinch instead of the head/collar & arm grab.

So, this opens by grabbing the back of your opponents head (which looks like a dirty boxing clinch, or a wrestling head-pull) and your opponents tricept.

When I do it, I drop the elbow of whatever hand I have behind the head into my opponents clavicle and drop my weight down, as if I'm looking for a shot or a knee-pick, but I don't commit my weight. When they drop down to keep me from getting under them, I yank down on their collar or their head and drop my weight down on top of their head and neck.

I sprawl my hips out because some guys will try and grab a leg as if they were shooting, then I secure a front head lock grip (one arm in).

From this position there are a bunch of great attacks, gi and no-gi. I really wish I had some pictures, because while the crack-down is pretty easy to walk through, these moves are not.

The first is the brabo choke, for which you set up a reverse arm triangle and roll your opponent onto their side (and you'll be on your side as well). Then walk your legs towards them. This is kind of an oversimplification, without much detail. See Babalu vs. Sokoudjou for a pretty good example of this finish.

There's a nice straight away guillotine from this position if you slide your body down so you can wrap your arm around the head (you don't need to go to the guard to finish the guillotine, just squeeze the neck and drop your hips down).

There are a few gi chokes, and I'll go into them if you want. Those are the ones I really want pictures of.

Really, though, the best option is to do what you should do from the sprawl, which is spin for the turtle and look to take the back and finish from there. That's the real "position-before-submission" BJJ principle.



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Alright, so Tango87 wanted me to walk through the crack down, which I first picked up from wrestlers and modified for gi grappling and judo (where it destroys people). I have trouble setting it up in MMA, because fighters don't really lock up the same way. They use the Greco clinch instead of the head/collar & arm grab.

So, this opens by grabbing the back of your opponents head (which looks like a dirty boxing clinch, or a wrestling head-pull) and your opponents tricept.

When I do it, I drop the elbow of whatever hand I have behind the head into my opponents clavicle and drop my weight down, as if I'm looking for a shot or a knee-pick, but I don't commit my weight. When they drop down to keep me from getting under them, I yank down on their collar or their head and drop my weight down on top of their head and neck.

I sprawl my hips out because some guys will try and grab a leg as if they were shooting, then I secure a front head lock grip (one arm in).

From this position there are a bunch of great attacks, gi and no-gi. I really wish I had some pictures, because while the crack-down is pretty easy to walk through, these moves are not.

The first is the brabo choke, for which you set up a reverse arm triangle and roll your opponent onto their side (and you'll be on your side as well). Then walk your legs towards them. This is kind of an oversimplification, without much detail. See Babalu vs. Sokoudjou for a pretty good example of this finish.

There's a nice straight away guillotine from this position if you slide your body down so you can wrap your arm around the head (you don't need to go to the guard to finish the guillotine, just squeeze the neck and drop your hips down).

There are a few gi chokes, and I'll go into them if you want. Those are the ones I really want pictures of.

Really, though, the best option is to do what you should do from the sprawl, which is spin for the turtle and look to take the back and finish from there. That's the real "position-before-submission" BJJ principle.
this sounds like a great way to start a match. I am very comfortable from North/South head/arm position. I would look for an anaconda choke if it was there. I may give this a shot if the guy tries to clinch in. I am going to attempt an inside leg trip first though... Thanks a lot for the advice!!!!
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this sounds like a great way to start a match. I am very comfortable from North/South head/arm position. I would look for an anaconda choke if it was there. I may give this a shot if the guy tries to clinch in. I am going to attempt an inside leg trip first though... Thanks a lot for the advice!!!!
There's a reverse arm triangle that they call an anaconda choke. (it's not, but they call it that)

If I remember right, Big Nog uses it in one of his fights with Heath Herring.



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Hey man I got a question for you.


After I pass, and get to North-South, what can I do from there? Any submissions or do you recommend something else.

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Just wanted to add, for bottom escapes you could always use the UPA escape from mount, if you mix it up with shrimping while trying to escape mount, it usually works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sH7f...eature=related
Thats one way to do it. To be honest though, if you just get an overhook on one the sides, you can usually reverse it.

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Just wanted to add, for bottom escapes you could always use the UPA escape from mount, if you mix it up with shrimping while trying to escape mount, it usually works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sH7f...eature=related
Thats one way to do it. To be honest though, if you just get an overhook on one the sides, you can usually reverse it.

I apologize if you didn't want others posting in here =P
No worries, feel free to post here. The upa is a great move.



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Hey man I got a question for you.


After I pass, and get to North-South, what can I do from there? Any submissions or do you recommend something else.

Thanks man.
Yeah, I love this position, so it's always good.

First is obviously the north/south choke. Just wrap the arm around the neck in a guillotine grip. To finish, take your weight off of his body and on to his neck as if you're sprawling, but without your chest on his body.

A lot of guys will try and push you off to escape, or at least they'll try and wrap an arm around your body. An easy tap from here is to step to the knee on belly and swing the leg over the head to get the armbar.

Those are the easy ones. If you feel yourself loosing the armbar, it's pretty easy to transition to the hammer-lock (aka the kimura grip) and sink it in deeper or go for the kimura.



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