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Old 05-13-2008, 04:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Ive been wrestling for a while now, but other forms of grappling are still really unique to me. And one thing I've really been struggling with is getting out of the full mount. Any advice would be great. BTW great threat-this is awesome, really appreciate.
Thanks, man.

As far as getting out of the mount, there are two ways to go (in terms of basic escapes). There's the bridge and roll and then there's the hip escape.

The bridge and roll requires you to trap one of your opponent's hands, then lock down the foot on same side. This will prevent your opponent from stopping the roll and creating a base.

Then you are just going to bridge up and to the side, rolling over, so that you come up in your opponent's guard. Make sure that you do this to the side that you have locked down, otherwise you're f*cked.

The hip escape starts with a hip bump. Use the hip bump and shoot your hips out like a shrimp move (if you need help with that, then I'll help you out, because I know it's not something people do in wrestling). Make sure that you are on one side, which will create space, and then slip one knee out. (this gets you to half guard) You should always slip out your bottom leg.

Put that knee on the hip, like a butterfly, and then push to get a little more space. Then you should be able to wrap the leg around to that half guard position.

Then roll to the other side, do that hip move again and you get back to the full guard. (even if you decide you want to fight from the half guard, you need to roll to that other side to work.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Alrighty, I can picture the bridge and roll in my head, Ill have to wait to try it, but could you explain the shrimp move any more? Like you mentioned I've never had a coach say anything about it. I had kind of picture curling into a ball and then getting eaten. The bridge and roll sounds great though, I can't wait to try it out. I gotta spread rep, but its coming around again.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Alrighty, I can picture the bridge and roll in my head, Ill have to wait to try it, but could you explain the shrimp move any more? Like you mentioned I've never had a coach say anything about it. I had kind of picture curling into a ball and then getting eaten. The bridge and roll sounds great though, I can't wait to try it out. I gotta spread rep, but its coming around again.
Sure. It starts by rolling on your side, straightening your bottom leg and pushing off with your top leg to shoot your hips out behind you. Then you are going to connect your knees to your elbows and roll back onto your back. (or, in the mount escape, to the other side so you can do it again)
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:40 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Kickass thread, dude....+1 repped for the great thread.




I have issues with topside and the triangle escape (I tend to just smack people in the face because I do MMA, but when it's straight grappling, I'm in a world of hurt).


Any advice?
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Kickass thread, dude....+1 repped for the great thread.

I have issues with topside and the triangle escape (I tend to just smack people in the face because I do MMA, but when it's straight grappling, I'm in a world of hurt).

Any advice?
Again, thanks man.

As far as topside escapes from the triangle, at a basic level it's about defending the triangle and working your way out of it.

Keep your elbows in and remember: two arms in the guard or two arms out of the guard. If you get caught with one in and one out, you're in trouble.

Don't let your arm get pulled across your neck. Alot of guys hide that arm and turn in the direction of the arm that's in. (that's important because turning the other way will tighten the triangle)

As far as escapes, the common one is to posture out of it. This works against a triangle in its early stages (before it's tight and, well, a triangle), but you have to remember to keep that elbow in so you don't get caught in an armbar.

Hope that was helpful. As far as a more advanced escape, the common one is to put your legs around your opponent and pry the triangle off. That works sometimes, but it's an advanced move, so be patient practicing it, there's alot of ways it can go wrong.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Alright, so this is one that I see alot of people having trouble with, especially against bigger opponents, because everybody feels like they can't bridge off a bigger opponent.

Really, when you're working from the bottom of side mount, the important thing is to get your elbows and knees in so that you can get your opponent off of your hip. This is, like I said, a thread on the basics. There are some advanced escapes that you can do from here (the running man escape, the belly down escape), but really the fundamental point is to get your elbows and knees in to protect your opponents hips.

Frank Shamrock uses the term "be the ball" to describe connection your elbows and your knees, and creating that space (which protects your hips and allows you to sing back to guard) is the biggest thing.

A few little details and problems that people tend to have:

Sometimes the opponent over commits his hip and accidentally drops it on the ground. When he does that, just weave the bottom leg through and trap your opponent's upper body in guard. I land this alot because I have flexible legs.

Another thing that alot of beginning guys miss is that when you pass guard to side control you need to establish that underhook. That's really important to be aware of as the bottom guy because, if your opponent forgets that underhook, you can just shrug him forward and take the back.

Still, as far as the general side control escape (the white-belt version that also works to protect the knee on belly), it's about getting your "shields" (that connected area of your knee and elbow) between you and your opponent to keep you from getting caught in a bad position.

I'll get to joppp's in a minute.
Thanks man, very cool.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:05 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I have issues with topside and the triangle escape (I tend to just smack people in the face because I do MMA, but when it's straight grappling, I'm in a world of hurt).


Any advice?
The important thing is to posture first, and don't let them put your arm across. If they don't have your arm across AND you are posturing up, it's almost impossible for them to choke you out. If they don't switch to an arm bar or something and keep going for the choke, I would suggest circling towards whatever side your untrapped arm is at, this will loosen the triangle and usually break it, allowing you to pass. You can also try to stack while circling, but watch out for them to hook your leg and either sweep or try and tighten the triangle. When in doubt though, pick them up and slam 'em(if it's MMA).
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Thanks, man.

As far as getting out of the mount, there are two ways to go (in terms of basic escapes). There's the bridge and roll and then there's the hip escape.

The bridge and roll requires you to trap one of your opponent's hands, then lock down the foot on same side. This will prevent your opponent from stopping the roll and creating a base.

Then you are just going to bridge up and to the side, rolling over, so that you come up in your opponent's guard. Make sure that you do this to the side that you have locked down, otherwise you're f*cked.

Here is just something to add to that I like to do. Once you lock up the arm and leg on whichever side use your other arm to ensure he cant base out at all. Just make sure your arm is under their arm like an under hook but without the hook and as you are rolling over straighten it so that they cant post their opposite arm out. Taking away half of their base is usually enough, but this is just to make sure. It isnt hard, I have had success with it. If that doesnt make sense let me know I will try to explain it again.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:43 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Alright, I got another one for yall, let me know when Im getting annoying. I was watching the Fedor vs Hong Man Choi fight and Fedor pulls the slick arm bar from the bottom, could I get some advice for setting up for one of those on the bottom? I watched that and almost drooled, so I figured I might as well ask. Thanks
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