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post #211 of 231 (permalink) Old 10-08-2009, 12:53 PM
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About side control in Judo, what kind of side control exactly are you talking about? The standard yoko-shiho-gatame where he has one arm under your leg and another under your neck and arm, or a different one?
Yes that's the one. Sometimes they go for the crusafix too, but I'm OK at escaping from there.

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Yes that's the one. Sometimes they go for the crusafix too, but I'm OK at escaping from there.

Also thanks a lot to everyone who responded. Really appreciate it.
Escaping from the position you are talking about all the escapes I mentioned and the ones IronMan mentioned should work. Just remember you need space to escape...it's all about space. You don't get space a good Judo guy will keep your shoulders pinned.
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What I do is get both my hands in there (like I normally would for a shrimp escape) and then push off to make a little space. I'll shoot and underhook under on the outside arm side deep as I can. Once I have my underhook I'll scissor and roll into them using my underhook and head to drive them back (head to chest), which rolls them over. Is that close to what you are talking about??
No. The move I'm talking about consists of throwing up a leg (while still pinned), slipping the hips out and rolling the opponent into side control.

It's definitely not anything you'd see in jiu-jitsu, but it works the way judo guys pin.


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Another one that I used on some of our Judo guys is getting the arm under and scooping a leg...keep driving into them until I feel them push into me hard trying to drive me down. When they push into me I turn hard away, lift as hard as I can with the leg, and bump all at the same time. It's a power move, but it works as long as the guy is close in size...I've actually done it to several guys that have 50+lbs. on me.
That sounds interesting. I'm not convinced I have the muscle mass to pull that off, but maybe I'll give it a try.



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I know a few ways of escaping yoko shiho gatame. But only one is easy to pull off. When he grabs you, you should push his head with your free hand underneath the leg where his arm is and you have a triangle.

The other way is very difficult if your opponent is even a bit heavier than you. Say the he has your right side. Grab his belt with your left hand and pull just a bit so you can create the space to place your elbow on his stomach. Now bridge, pull with your left, push with your right and flip him over you so he lands on his back.

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Hey I just wanted to say thankyou for everyone who has responded to my questions in this thread, as I'm going to get my first stripe soon (well I'm subbing the 1 stripes now so I'm just assuming I will).

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Alright, I have a question that has probably been asked.

I get stuck in guard(guy has long legs) I try to can opener him, and he just stays with it(i pull head all the way down to my belly)

So i try to post back and stick the knee to the butt and break the legs, but legs are long enough to just move around(or puts me in a triangle)

How can I pass this guard?
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Alright. I'm going to get back to this thread. Sorry I've been neglecting it for a long time.

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Hey I just wanted to say thankyou for everyone who has responded to my questions in this thread, as I'm going to get my first stripe soon (well I'm subbing the 1 stripes now so I'm just assuming I will).
Congrat, bro. If there's anything you need help with, feel free to ask.

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Alright, I have a question that has probably been asked.

I get stuck in guard(guy has long legs) I try to can opener him, and he just stays with it(i pull head all the way down to my belly)

So i try to post back and stick the knee to the butt and break the legs, but legs are long enough to just move around(or puts me in a triangle)

How can I pass this guard?
OK, this is something that a lot of people have trouble with. Just because you open the guard doesn't mean you've passed the guard. You really have to kill the legs to ensure a good pass.

Kill his guard at the knees. If you're rolling with the gi on, grab the gi at the knee and pin his leg to the mat as you pass. If his leg is on the mat, it's very difficult to maintain the guard position.

Don't just open the legs and then try and move around them. They can still attack you. Pin the leg to the mat until you get to side control.

There's a lot of nuance to passing, but hopefully you can get the idea from some of the earlier posts on it.

Still, if people are shooting triangles on you, I think that you should probably focus on killing the legs.



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Alright. I'm going to get back to this thread. Sorry I've been neglecting it for a long time.

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Congrat, bro. If there's anything you need help with, feel free to ask.



OK, this is something that a lot of people have trouble with. Just because you open the guard doesn't mean you've passed the guard. You really have to kill the legs to ensure a good pass.

Kill his guard at the knees. If you're rolling with the gi on, grab the gi at the knee and pin his leg to the mat as you pass. If his leg is on the mat, it's very difficult to maintain the guard position.

Don't just open the legs and then try and move around them. They can still attack you. Pin the leg to the mat until you get to side control.

There's a lot of nuance to passing, but hopefully you can get the idea from some of the earlier posts on it.

Still, if people are shooting triangles on you, I think that you should probably focus on killing the legs.
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and with the triangles, he's an amazing "triangle artist" I might add, when the instructor says something about them he's always the one pointed out.

Also; I have a question about the triangle.
When I lock one up, should I push off the hip after my legs are triangled for the angle? or push then lock up?
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and with the triangles, he's an amazing "triangle artist" I might add, when the instructor says something about them he's always the one pointed out.
Yeah. So really, really make sure you kill his legs.

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When I lock one up, should I push off the hip after my legs are triangled for the angle? or push then lock up?
I don't know how you're going to push off of the hip once you've locked your legs up. You push off of the hip with you foot, so once you have locked one are in and one are out, you shouldn't be looking to push the leg.

When you lock in the triangle position, don't adjust your angle by pushing. Adjust your angle by turning your hips.

I get into a lot of angling (how to get there and what it looks like) on the triangle in this very old thread.

Don't push off of the hips to manipulate your angle. Instead, focus on turning your hips to get yourself sideways (which I talk about in the thread) or using your hands to grab your opponent's leg to turn your body.



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