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Recently some novice in my judo class tired to put me in a rubber guard, and it was incredibly easy to get out of it. The dude should have read something on this forum to realize he needs a good closed guard to start doing rubber guard successfully.

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Recently some novice in my judo class tired to put me in a rubber guard, and it was incredibly easy to get out of it. The dude should have read something on this forum to realize he needs a good closed guard to start doing rubber guard successfully.
For those who want to learn the basics of the rubber guard, I recommend studying the closed, controlled guards of Nino Schembri and Royler Gracie, but even just listening to Eddie's advice is a great start:




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For those who want to learn the basics of the rubber guard, I recommend studying the closed, controlled guards of Nino Schembri and Royler Gracie, but even just listening to Eddie's advice is a great start:

Should one even bother with rubber guard at the beginning of his Judo journey? There are far more important things to focus on and practice, IMO.

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Should one even bother with rubber guard at the beginning of his Judo journey? There are far more important things to focus on and practice, IMO.
Not in Judo.

I'm not convinced that the closed guard is even a worthwhile position in modern sport-judo. I was talking to a few competitors I know who are more experienced that I am, and they were saying that against opponents who can stall effectively, unless its really a position that you're quick and active from, standups are too common to make it a serious groundwork position.

I haven't found myself using it hardly at all in judo, because that doesn't seem to be where the openings are anyway. I find butterfly guard and half-guard way more active and way more effective generally.



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Isn't this your judo coach?

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Yup. That's Sensei.



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What's your opinion on Eduardo Telles and his turtle, since I know that you have strong feelings about that position?

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What's your opinion on Eduardo Telles and his turtle, since I know that you have strong feelings about that position?
It's actually really grown on me. The way that Telles sets himself up from the turtle is one of the things that I've been studying to attack it, sense there really is no one better at stopping back control.

Telles is a really creative guy, and while I'm not sure I like his willingness to give up the turtle from what I perceive as strictly better positions (the bottom of side-control, especially) I respect it as a part of his game.

My attitude, though, and I think his as well (though I haven't really heard him say anything definitive, so I may be wrong) is that it isn't a good idea to learn the turtle guard until you have proficiency in the basis of jiu-jitsu, because it really is about being able to defend attacks effectively, and that requires a knowledge of the details that consist of the mistakes that you absolutely cannot make from that position.

Little mistakes cost you more and more as the position gets worse. If you're an advanced guy, like Telles (or many of the high level blue and purple and brownbelts I've seen attempting his stuff in rolling) then that's all good. It can certainly contribute a lot to your game. But if you are having issues escaping from the turtle because of little mistakes (like opening the elbows at the wrong time, or not opening the hips and getting into your opponent, or missing a roll, or getting your hips controlled from the top and then trying to roll) then the turtle guard isn't going to help you much, because it doesn't, on its own, solve those problems.



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To tell you the truth I believe his turtle would be far worse position if there were no leg-locks. On the other hand it's refreshing to see someone use the turtle offensively.

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To tell you the truth I believe his turtle would be far worse position if there were no leg-locks. On the other hand it's refreshing to see someone use the turtle offensively.
Sure, but so would my open-guard. I mean, if someone utilizes an attack then it's a problem not to have access to that attack. But I think that it's nice that the turtle guard, for Telles, is about more than just leg-locks. It's about proper positioning and carefully attacking his opponent with sweeps, while looking for, occasionally, joint locks.

Telles' moves from turtle to the top of side-control have been really helpful for a lot of advanced people who like to escape by bellying down and shooting for a leg, because it gives them confidence if their opponent should move to take the back. I think that says a lot about how beneficial the turtle guard is.



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