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Old 05-17-2008, 05:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Alright, I got another one for yall, let me know when Im getting annoying. I was watching the Fedor vs Hong Man Choi fight and Fedor pulls the slick arm bar from the bottom, could I get some advice for setting up for one of those on the bottom? I watched that and almost drooled, so I figured I might as well ask. Thanks
ill see if i can help you out dude
ok just for explanations sake well say your going for an armbar on your opponents right arm
basically you want to secure his right arm at the wrist and tricep, then place your left leg on his hip, and your right leg high on his back, and twist your hips so that your body is perpendicular to your opponents (so just spin 90 degrees)
pass your left leg over your opponents head
then to finish the submission and get the tap out squeeze your knees together raise your hips and pull down on the wrist

hope that helps you man
if it didnt im sure Ironman can explain it much better than i can
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Old 05-17-2008, 06:45 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Alright, I got another one for yall, let me know when Im getting annoying. I was watching the Fedor vs Hong Man Choi fight and Fedor pulls the slick arm bar from the bottom, could I get some advice for setting up for one of those on the bottom? I watched that and almost drooled, so I figured I might as well ask. Thanks
This thread is for questions that you have like this, ones that you think are just rudimentary and basic. That's the purpose of this thread. Trust me, it's not annoying, it's why I did this thread.

So, just for reference, here's a clip of the Fedor vs. Choi fight, so you can see what I'm talking about and watch it a couple of times.

Really, this is a simple armbar done very, very quickly. In fact, this is the most traditional I think I've ever seen Fedor's BJJ.

So, to start this armbar, trap the arm. (Fedor traps the wrist by catching a punch, but however you intend to do it, you need to have control of that arm)

Fedor then puts on foot on the hip (he steps on the outside, I tend to step on the inside because I think it's more stable, but as long as you have some stability), then he spins, swinging his outside leg up and around and putting that over his opponent's head.

Make sure that you get your hips up in the air, so that they land above the elbow. Fedor does this really, really well and gets almost as high as the shoulder, which is the ideal position. It becomes harder and harder to finish the lower you are on the arm, and if it's below the elbow, then there's really no finish.

Really, this is a basic move performed very, very quickly. I would practice that hip movement slowly and alot. I do it in gi grappling by grabbing my opponents wrists, putting my feet on his hips (like a close spider guard on a kneeling opponent), then I spin my hips out so that I'm up on the very top of my back (right below the base of the head).
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Old 05-17-2008, 07:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Thanks both of yall, cant wait to roll again, I got some new tricks to try out, I appreciate it a bunch.
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This thread is for questions that you have like this, ones that you think are just rudimentary and basic. That's the purpose of this thread. Trust me, it's not annoying, it's why I did this thread.

So, just for reference, here's a clip of the Fedor vs. Choi fight, so you can see what I'm talking about and watch it a couple of times.

Really, this is a simple armbar done very, very quickly. In fact, this is the most traditional I think I've ever seen Fedor's BJJ.

So, to start this armbar, trap the arm. (Fedor traps the wrist by catching a punch, but however you intend to do it, you need to have control of that arm)

Fedor then puts on foot on the hip (he steps on the outside, I tend to step on the inside because I think it's more stable, but as long as you have some stability), then he spins, swinging his outside leg up and around and putting that over his opponent's head.

Make sure that you get your hips up in the air, so that they land above the elbow. Fedor does this really, really well and gets almost as high as the shoulder, which is the ideal position. It becomes harder and harder to finish the lower you are on the arm, and if it's below the elbow, then there's really no finish.

Really, this is a basic move performed very, very quickly. I would practice that hip movement slowly and alot. I do it in gi grappling by grabbing my opponents wrists, putting my feet on his hips (like a close spider guard on a kneeling opponent), then I spin my hips out so that I'm up on the very top of my back (right below the base of the head).
knew he could explain it better than I haha

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HOW DO SPRAWL?

Anyone want to give a detailed, step-by-step explanation of the sprawl, rather than just 'hips down, feet back'? And maybe on defending a single-leg takedown once it's to the point where he's got it sunk in (standing with your knee on his chest)?
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Okay... How do you sprawl? Since the thread is "Back to Basics" I'll offer you a few tidbits that are readily applicable even before you get to where you have to sprawl. All these little bits make a difference in defending takedowns, whether they be double-leg, single-leg or greco-roman style take downs.

All leg dives and shots can be broken down and explained like this: You take your opponent down by restricting the movement of their base while destroying their center of gravity. Restricting the movement of your opponent's base is down by grabbing ahold of the person's leg(s), isolating/controlling it and then bringing it out from under their center of gravity/hips by pushing, pulling or lifting. Sounds a little too simplified, right? It is, but when the concept of the technique is understood the principles of defending it become clear.

First rule of defending a shot: Control distance and range. Just like any punch or kick, it doesn't do any good to shoot from too far away. So how do you know when you are in shooting range? The general rule of thumb is if you can touch your opponent, you can shoot on them. This is the reason why you see grapplers tap their opponent's on the head, chest or shoulder. Not only does it distract the person, it also acts as a range finder. In MMA, you would use the jab. Once you can connect solidly, you can shoot effectively. The flip side of that is that they can shoot on you too. By controlling distance and range with footwork and mobility, you afford yourself that extra 100th of a second to setup or defend a shot.

Second rule of defending a shot: Keep on the same level (or lower) than your opponent. Just as a good shooter will drop their level before they shoot, you should drop your level to match their's to defend the shot. Remember, in order to destroy your center of gravity they have get underneath it. Dropping your level to match theirs will put your body in a solid position right in front of theirs. This is also the reason why a lot of guys miss sinking in underhooks when someone shoots on them. Their upperbody is still completely upright while their opponent is knee-level diving for their legs.

Third rule or defending a shot: Do not fight their force head on, redirect it. Just like you don't want to back up straight in a striking contest, you don't want to end up in a test of strength during a takedown if you can avoid it. When you are in a crash position, head-to-head, chest-to-chest with an opponent driving into you, realize that trying to muscle through them is a waste of energy (even if you are stronger than them). It is best to redirect their energy and turn them to the side of you or straight down while you move away from their path. In fact, when you sprawl you are using your body and gravity to direct their shot and force directly into the ground underneath you.

Keep those in mind when you looking to shoot, or looking to defend a shot and picking up on specific techniques to implement during that time (like the sprawl) becomes an easier task. I'll tackle sprawling (no pun intended), if nobody covers it before me, when I come back from the dojo.
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For guys who are considering doing hip escape from mount you have to adjust it. The reason that I say this is because if you do the normal shrimp with both arms on one side, it will result in getting your back taken, or a gift wrap to arm triangle. Instead use more of a foot drag.

So lets say you are on bottom and goingfor there right foot, you'll lean on your left side bring your right over there right ankle then push there knee with your left hand as you move your hips back.
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For guys who are considering doing hip escape from mount you have to adjust it. The reason that I say this is because if you do the normal shrimp with both arms on one side, it will result in getting your back taken, or a gift wrap to arm triangle. Instead use more of a foot drag.

So lets say you are on bottom and goingfor there right foot, you'll lean on your left side bring your right over there right ankle then push there knee with your left hand as you move your hips back.
This is actually a great point, ozz, and thanks for mentioning it.

Personally, I try and slip the leg out underneath their leg instead of working my hips out, to set up half-guard. Usually it isn't much harder (though I have pretty good flexibility and am relatively small).

Then I use the traditional hip escape form to free my other leg and create space.
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Simple guard passes

Hey, I was wondering if anyone could please teach me a few tricks to passing a tight closed-guard (no-gi). The main trick I use is the can opener, and it can be effective, but it would be nice to know more than that, especially when grappling with a more experienced and larger opponent.

Any techniques for passing from the closed-guard position would be extremely helpful, because I tend to struggle breaking my opponent's guard.

Thanks in advance!
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Hey, I was wondering if anyone could please teach me a few tricks to passing a tight closed-guard (no-gi). The main trick I use is the can opener, and it can be effective, but it would be nice to know more than that, especially when grappling with a more experienced and larger opponent.

Any techniques for passing from the closed-guard position would be extremely helpful, because I tend to struggle breaking my opponent's guard.

Thanks in advance!
The can opener and the elbow dig are the two best ones for beginners, because they are so effective for minimal skill, but here's something a little better.

Just lock your opponent down by pushing your palms into your opponents ribs, keeping your elbows in and maintaining good posture.

Then, slide one of your knees under your opponent's butt and step backwards (like 90 degrees from your opponent) with one of your legs (your foot should be on the ground and your leg should be extended, and your butt should be off the ground). Then take off the arm that is on the same side of your opponent and pop the guard by dropping your hipsbackwards (this is the direction 45 degrees from the was your leg is pointing, so, perpendicular to your opponent). This should open the guard.

Once you have opened the guard, go about your pass whichever way you like to pass (toreando, double under, spin pass or shoulder pass or whatever).

If you need help with the actually passes and not just the breaks, Fedor>all, let me know.
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