Back to Basics - Page 7 - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
Grappling Technique Grappling discussion area.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #61 of 231 (permalink) Old 06-18-2008, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,222
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onganju View Post
I see what you're saying. You really wouldn't have to pull up on his head anyways as the mat is already there to keep them in place. Post out your arms for base and drive your hps forward and all your weight is going through your shin, through the guys throat and into the floor.

By the looks of it, it doesn't look like Aoki was able to completely clear his leg from the over his opponent's arm. While not completely tap-inducing as stacking his knee on his ankle, in the unlikely event that the guy on the bottom squirms out Aoki can transition to a whole slew of other subs with his opponent's arm extended past his hip.
Yeah, the traditional transition out of a failed gogoplata is an omoplata, then into a triangle again.

From the top, the armbar settup is really easy if you can't totally clear the arm.



Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #62 of 231 (permalink) Old 06-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Lights Out
Image Hosting by Picoodle.com
 
ozz525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bronx, NY
Posts: 1,826
             
Ironman what are your favorite gi guard passes? I am mainly a no gi grappler, and I like to use the no posture pass if you are familiar with it. I don't mind standing guard passes, but would preferably I would want 2 options one staying down and one standing.
ozz525 is offline  
post #63 of 231 (permalink) Old 06-27-2008, 04:50 PM Thread Starter
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,222
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozz525 View Post
Ironman what are your favorite gi guard passes? I am mainly a no gi grappler, and I like to use the no posture pass if you are familiar with it. I don't mind standing guard passes, but would preferably I would want 2 options one staying down and one standing.
For no-gi, which tends to be more MMA oriented in my case, I use can openers and a double underhook pass alot. I also stand up and pass the guard, which is my second best pass behind the can opener.

For gi grappling, the toreando pass is my go-to move, though I also use the double-underhook pass and the traditional pass (Jeff Monson calls it a "jailbreak pass").

If you want a walkthrough of any of those, I'm glad to give you one.



Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline  
post #64 of 231 (permalink) Old 06-27-2008, 05:29 PM
Lights Out
Image Hosting by Picoodle.com
 
ozz525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bronx, NY
Posts: 1,826
             
The thing that I mainly need are breaks once I break I go into a 2 on 1 pass, which I use very well. Other than that the gi passes give me a lot of trouble. I am maily using the single lapel pass, and sometimes the double.
ozz525 is offline  
post #65 of 231 (permalink) Old 07-13-2008, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,222
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozz525 View Post
The thing that I mainly need are breaks once I break I go into a 2 on 1 pass, which I use very well. Other than that the gi passes give me a lot of trouble. I am maily using the single lapel pass, and sometimes the double.
I see what you're saying.

In terms of breaks, I use alot of hip grinds (pushing the elbows into the hips) and I use the jailbreak guard opener alot. I also try and get a knee in the guard and pop it open that way, which works really well.

The thing to be aware of with the lapel passes is that if you lose control of that leg for a second, and your opponent is quick and looking for the submission, there's a good chance you can get caught.

Personally, it's been a long time since anyone caught me in a lapel pass because of my leg flexibility. A good, flexible opponent will be able to lock down your arms even with only one leg. I don't think you have to worry about that at your level, but start working other passes too, because that one has a pretty low success rate against high level guards.



Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline  
post #66 of 231 (permalink) Old 07-13-2008, 08:02 PM
Lights Out
Image Hosting by Picoodle.com
 
ozz525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bronx, NY
Posts: 1,826
             
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMan View Post
I see what you're saying.

In terms of breaks, I use alot of hip grinds (pushing the elbows into the hips) and I use the jailbreak guard opener alot. I also try and get a knee in the guard and pop it open that way, which works really well.

The thing to be aware of with the lapel passes is that if you lose control of that leg for a second, and your opponent is quick and looking for the submission, there's a good chance you can get caught.

Personally, it's been a long time since anyone caught me in a lapel pass because of my leg flexibility. A good, flexible opponent will be able to lock down your arms even with only one leg. I don't think you have to worry about that at your level, but start working other passes too, because that one has a pretty low success rate against high level guards.
I have been using this pass latly. It isn't this exactly but more or less. Its bad ass and I have breaking guard's open pretty easily
http://jiujitsumatrix.ning.com/video...AVideo%3A10437
ozz525 is offline  
post #67 of 231 (permalink) Old 07-13-2008, 08:06 PM
Love Hisae
 
taiwnezboi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 535
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMan View Post
For no-gi, which tends to be more MMA oriented in my case, I use can openers and a double underhook pass alot. I also stand up and pass the guard, which is my second best pass behind the can opener.

For gi grappling, the toreando pass is my go-to move, though I also use the double-underhook pass and the traditional pass (Jeff Monson calls it a "jailbreak pass").

If you want a walkthrough of any of those, I'm glad to give you one.
Nice to see that the can opener -> double underhook pass works well at high levels. I started experimenting with that last class and had good results, but wasn't sure if it'd hold up against better grapplers.



Cris Cyborg
Chute Boxe Academy
MMA Record: 4-0 (3 (T)KOs)
Recently signed by EliteXC
Cris Cyborg Highlight Reel

taiwnezboi is offline  
post #68 of 231 (permalink) Old 07-13-2008, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,222
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by taiwnezboi View Post
Nice to see that the can opener -> double underhook pass works well at high levels. I started experimenting with that last class and had good results, but wasn't sure if it'd hold up against better grapplers.
It works for Jeff Monson. Trust me, it works on a lot of levels. It's also really easy.



Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline  
post #69 of 231 (permalink) Old 08-03-2008, 01:13 AM
MMA Fanatic
 
Kendrik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 89
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMan View Post
I'll walk you through the really basic straight achilles lock that I learned from Steve Maxwell, because it's the one that works best from the guard for me (besides the heel hook, but that's not really a basic move and you should wait a while with that one).
I just learned this in class last week. Thanks for putting it in words. We cover so much in so little time... that it's hard for me to remember everything.

Having read through this whole thread, I just wanted to thank you for all of your tips. I know where to go when I have questions.

Also, rep'd.

-Kenny
Track with my progress via my blog, From Fat Kid to Fighter.
Kendrik is offline  
post #70 of 231 (permalink) Old 08-03-2008, 09:25 AM Thread Starter
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,222
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kendrik View Post
I just learned this in class last week. Thanks for putting it in words. We cover so much in so little time... that it's hard for me to remember everything.

Having read through this whole thread, I just wanted to thank you for all of your tips. I know where to go when I have questions.

Also, rep'd.
Thanks, man.

If you have any questions about details in techniques, feel free to post them.



Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome