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IronMan 05-12-2008 01:30 AM

Back to Basics
 
So, a friend of mine suggested I put this thread together to help people really nail down the fundamentals of their favorite simple techniques.

There are alot of basic things that I see even high level guys f*ck up sometimes, and they are things that take alot of time to master, so whether you're a beginning grappler or someone who wants to get back to basics (and we all should, every once in a while), post a technique on this thread.

There are some good grapplers in here, and some good material on youtube that I'll link in for people, so whatever you bring to the table, you should get some good stuff.

So, anyone who wants some of the details of more basic moves broken down, post them here.

EDIT: I've made a decision to index the first ten pages of this thread in this post, so it's easier for people to navigate. All posts will be made by technique, in alphabetical-chronological order. I've starred my posts, just as a point of reference for me.

(Indexed Pages 1-20)

Armbar from the Bottom 1
Armbar from the Bottom 2*
Butterfly Guard 1*
Butterfly Guard 2*
Can Opener 1*
Crack Down
Ezequiel Choke 1*
Gi Grips*
Guard Pass 1*
Guard Pass 2 a
Guard Pass 2 b*
Guard Posture and Defense*
Guard Theory with Heavy Opponents*
Guard Theory with Strikes*
Half Guard Sweep 1*
Inverted Gogoplata 1*
Inverted Gogoplata 2*
Kimura
Kimura From Guard 1*
Mount Escapes 1*
Mount Escapes 2
Mount Escapes 3*
Mount Escapes 4
Mount Top Position*
Omoplata 1*
Omoplata 2*
Regaining Guard 1*
Scarf Hold Escapes 1*
Scarf Hold Escapes 2*
Scarf Hold Escapes 3*
Side Mount Escapes 1*
Side Mount Escapes 2*
Sprawl 1
Sprawl 2
Straight Ankle Lock*
Triangle Escapes and Prevention 1*
Triangle Escapes and Prevention 2
X-Guard Sweeps*

wukkadb 05-12-2008 05:10 AM

How about a basic side mount escape?

joppp 05-12-2008 05:54 AM

Jacare beat Marcelo Garcia with a very simple kimura (with his guard CLOSED). I'd really like to know about the kimura from the bottom!

IronMan 05-12-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wukkadb (Post 543786)
How about a basic side mount escape?

Alright, so this is one that I see alot of people having trouble with, especially against bigger opponents, because everybody feels like they can't bridge off a bigger opponent.

Really, when you're working from the bottom of side mount, the important thing is to get your elbows and knees in so that you can get your opponent off of your hip. This is, like I said, a thread on the basics. There are some advanced escapes that you can do from here (the running man escape, the belly down escape), but really the fundamental point is to get your elbows and knees in to protect your opponents hips.

Frank Shamrock uses the term "be the ball" to describe connection your elbows and your knees, and creating that space (which protects your hips and allows you to sing back to guard) is the biggest thing.

A few little details and problems that people tend to have:

Sometimes the opponent over commits his hip and accidentally drops it on the ground. When he does that, just weave the bottom leg through and trap your opponent's upper body in guard. I land this alot because I have flexible legs.

Another thing that alot of beginning guys miss is that when you pass guard to side control you need to establish that underhook. That's really important to be aware of as the bottom guy because, if your opponent forgets that underhook, you can just shrug him forward and take the back.

Still, as far as the general side control escape (the white-belt version that also works to protect the knee on belly), it's about getting your "shields" (that connected area of your knee and elbow) between you and your opponent to keep you from getting caught in a bad position.

I'll get to joppp's in a minute.

IronMan 05-12-2008 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joppp (Post 543794)
Jacare beat Marcelo Garcia with a very simple kimura (with his guard CLOSED). I'd really like to know about the kimura from the bottom!

The real problem people tend to have with the kimura is breaking down your opponent. Alot of white and blue belts try to start by applying the kimura with their arm reaching over the elbow, instead of over the shoulder, and then they try and work it in. (see Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie, the kimura that Matt uses is the epitomy of what I'm talking about) It doesn't work like that.

The important thing, whether you are sitting up to do it as part of a hip-sweep style combination (which I really like) or off of your back in the guard, is to have your opponent's body closed with yours. There shouldn't be alot of extra space.

As far as doing it from the closed guard, it's really about having control of that shoulder and sinking the lock in. Remember to finish the lock with your hips, even if you are leaving the legs together and not opening them like in a traditional kimura. (opening the legs does create more leverage, but, as Jacare showed, it's not necessary to finish)

One of the things that you have to remember about the finish that Jacare used is that he's alot bigger than Marcelo. He has that power advantage thatalot of people forget about in that matchup.People forget about that when they watch Marcelo, because he kills guys way bigger than him, but that was a serious problem in that fight with Jacare.

If you are a smaller guy trying to finish a bigger guy with that kimura, you will probably need to open that guard to finish, or you can do what I do and work it up into an almost semi-omoplata position to finish.

Still, that's a little advanced for what I'm trying to get to in this thread.

The real trick about sinking in that deep kimura is to have that arm over the shoulder and to have your body closed as you start to work on the technique. Those little details are one of the major differences between a kimura that wins fights (like Jacare's) and a kimura that makes Mike Goldberg yell alot, but doesn't really do anything (like Matt Hughes').

NOTE: Matt Hughes' kimura against Joe Riggs is actually a really, really good kimura. I'm talking about the Royce Gracie one specifically.

StephenRay 05-12-2008 04:13 PM

I wondered about those UTube MMA Technique videos. I have no way of knowing whether one is good or bad. Thanks, I will be watching this thread.

IronMan 05-12-2008 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StephenRay (Post 544056)
I wondered about those UTube MMA Technique videos. I have no way of knowing whether one is good or bad. Thanks, I will be watching this thread.

Again, it's all about the instructor. Dean Lister has some videos on there and Eddie Bravo has some on there. Those are really good. Ari Bolden's stuff is generally pretty good, too, but he does make some small technical mistakes.

Glad to hear that you like the thread. If you've got questions (or if anybody else does) please post them.

Also, it doesn't need to be strictly me giving advice, though I'll respond to every question on here as soon as I can. Anyone else who wants to help out is certainly welcome to.

DSGhST07 05-13-2008 01:53 AM

Well, I cant ever seem to connect a omoplata. Either my leg gets stuck under his arms, or he rolls out even if im holding him around his waist with my other arm.

IronMan 05-13-2008 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSGhST07 (Post 544461)
Well, I cant ever seem to connect a omoplata. Either my leg gets stuck under his arms, or he rolls out even if im holding him around his waist with my other arm.

These are pretty common problems for dudes who get to the jiu-claw (Eddie Bravo's loose omoplata sort-of set up) and can't finish the omoplata. I'll walk through the whole technique once you've gotten to that shoulder isolation position (there are so many ways to get there that it's really not worth going over even the basic ones in a single post, I'll do that later).

The first thing that alot of people forget to do, and you may not, but it's something that I always remind people of, is to wrap that arm into your hip so that you have control of it. This is where the shoulder lock comes from and, without the arm trapped, your opponent actually has the better position.

Once you do that, you should grab the belt, if you need to hoist yourself up. From this position there are two ways to finish the omoplata, one is mine and the other is the traditional way, they're both simple, so I'll walk through both of them.

My Way

This basically puts you into the position of a bottom side carni with no hands.

I'm going to keep that arm trapped with one hand and climb up the back with the other. I'm not skooting my hips out (which can sometimes make this harder to do, but doesn't finish the omo the way that I do it) and I'm looking for a half nelson on the opposite side.

Once I put my arm under my opponents arm and get the half nelson, I'm going to finish by pulling myself up and cranking in the omoplata. It should look like a wierd crucifix with you on top of your opponent instead of having them flipped over.

The Traditional Way

Basically, to prevent your opponent from providing muscular resistance, you are going to trap the hip (as you were saying), to keep them from rolling out and scoot your hips out to the side, dragging their arm and putting your opponent more on their stomach. Your legs should be facing away from your opponent and they should be opened.

From this position, just lean forward and finish the technique.

Anyway, to address your particular problems.

If your opponent is rolling through your grip, you need to work on your balance from that position. Drop your weight down onto the shoulder that's blocking his hips before you pull his arm out. Once you pull his arm out, in the traditional version, you've won, because he has no base to roll over on. If you want to try my version, then just keep your upper-body weight blocking his hips, you don't need it to finish the omo as you climb up his body, the torque in his shoulder from the movement is sufficient.

If your legs get stuck under you when you're trying for a traditional omo, then transition to my omo. That's one of the reasons why I started using it, because alot of guys will grab my feet and keep me from getting them outside to finish the traditional version. Just climb the back and make sure that their arm is tucked in your hip, this'll finish them.

recon6991 05-13-2008 04:55 PM

Ive been wrestling for a while now, but other forms of grappling are still really unique to me. And one thing I've really been struggling with is getting out of the full mount. Any advice would be great. BTW great threat-this is awesome, really appreciate.


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