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08-16-2008, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by joppp
My MMA/grappling trainer who also have wrestling background has shown me the power of a good stack. If you learn to stand up in the guard and almost sit on his thighs (pressing him against the mat)at the same time as you avoid being swept then you can either pass the guard or enter the open guard game.
It's an option I prefer, especially against people whose open guard is not as dangerous as their closed. Of course there are defenses to the stack, but you shouldn't mess witha good stack either. Especially in MMA a good stack is essential IMO.
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Firstly, no one's open guard is less dangerous than the closed guard. Unless a fighter has really long legs, there are no attacks from the closed guard (if they do, then maybe they have a kimura).
All of the major attacks (armbar, triangle, omoplata and the sweeps) come off of the open guard.
There is a serious problem with stacking from the guard. It sets up alot of sweeps (especially if your opponent is flexible and quick enough to transition to the butterfly or half-butterfly). Even if they're not that flexible, they will be able to hook your legs as soon as you stand up which puts you in dangerous of a kneebar and a half-dozen different sweeps.
You can, and I've seen guys do this, try and pin the arms down while you stack, so that they can't hook your legs, but if you do, you risk an armbar.
This position can work, especially if your powerful and have good balance. If you have a strength advantage, go for it. If you don't, and your opponent has good jiu-jitsu skills, it's a really dangerous position. |
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08-16-2008, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mr08sports
If you find that you can not create space, which does happen at times with a tight guard, take your elbows and dig them into the inner thigh of your opponent. No one like this since it is a pressure point. A lot of the guys I train with do this one me all the time since I have a nice tight guard. I will usually release my guard at this point where they then have space to work with.
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+1 This is a good trick to remember for when you need it. We do this in Judo and it works good sometimes.
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08-17-2008, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by IronMan
Firstly, no one's open guard is less dangerous than the closed guard. Unless a fighter has really long legs, there are no attacks from the closed guard (if they do, then maybe they have a kimura).
All of the major attacks (armbar, triangle, omoplata and the sweeps) come off of the open guard.
There is a serious problem with stacking from the guard. It sets up alot of sweeps (especially if your opponent is flexible and quick enough to transition to the butterfly or half-butterfly). Even if they're not that flexible, they will be able to hook your legs as soon as you stand up which puts you in dangerous of a kneebar and a half-dozen different sweeps.
You can, and I've seen guys do this, try and pin the arms down while you stack, so that they can't hook your legs, but if you do, you risk an armbar.
This position can work, especially if your powerful and have good balance. If you have a strength advantage, go for it. If you don't, and your opponent has good jiu-jitsu skills, it's a really dangerous position.
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Eddie Bravo's closed guard seems way more dangerous then his open one (but oher than that, you are right, I guess). But as for me, the stack works all the time and as an MMA option, the stack is a must! Since I train a lot of grappling with gloves and GnP, the stack naturally becomes more important. But you are right: you shouldn't rely only on the stack, but it's a great option. (Oh sorry by open guard I meant the guard were the guy on top is standing up and the guy on the bottom is fighting for control of the legs. Not the guard where you have jsut opened the legs to go for something. Sorry for not using proper grappling terms and what I meant was that some people are easier to pass from standing position than sitting position).
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Last edited by joppp : 08-17-2008 at 09:50 AM.
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08-17-2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by joppp
Eddie Bravo's closed guard seems way more dangerous then his open one (but oher than that, you are right, I guess). But as for me, the stack works all the time and as an MMA option, the stack is a must! Since I train a lot of grappling with gloves and GnP, the stack naturally becomes more important. But you are right: you shouldn't rely only on the stack, but it's a great option. (Oh sorry by open guard I meant the guard were the guy on top is standing up and the guy on the bottom is fighting for control of the legs. Not the guard where you have jsut opened the legs to go for something. Sorry for not using proper grappling terms and what I meant was that some people are easier to pass from standing position than sitting position).
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Eddie Bravo's closed guard is an open guard. The rubber guard is a half-spider with the other leg still closed, which is really open. People just don't think of it that way because he has so much control.
That kind of guard is the spider guard, and, personally, its one of the places where I'm most dangerous, as it is for alot of the guys I train with.
It's definitely good to know all of your options.
It's fine that you didn't get the terms, just describe that you're talking about, and it's all good. |
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08-30-2008, 05:20 AM
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Get a good standing base and pull on the back of the neck, pops the legs out of a closed guard.
Elbows in the side of a knee works wonders.
Someone already said knee in the butt and kick....
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09-21-2008, 10:31 AM
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For gi, the most simple pass is most effective for me. You grab his pants at the top and sit your elbows on his thighs, then shuffle your knee right to the middle of his ass (sounds funny but works) and push off your knee and down with your elbows and his guard will open right away. A lot of people seem to misinterpret this move, by thinking that the break is caused by digging your elbows into his thighs until he is uncomfortable enough to let go, however it's important to know that the break is from pushing away with your knee.
I'm not so good with explaining moves here, but if you're still unsure just ask 
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What to do in someones guard? Tips?
