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post #31 of 38 (permalink) Old 07-07-2006, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by meo643
My pick: Fedor... remember the fight against Rendleman...after that big slam, when Fedor decided that he was tired to be on his back, rolled over..ever so gently to finish it with a very gracefull arm lock... WOW!!!!
thas the fight I was talking about on a different thread..

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post #32 of 38 (permalink) Old 07-07-2006, 11:00 PM
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Fedor excecutes submissions like no one else. Especially for a heavyweight. Someone should just give the man a blackbelt.

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post #33 of 38 (permalink) Old 07-22-2006, 02:10 AM
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Rating a grappler

It's easy to look like a great wrestler or grappler (I will use the terms interchangeably) when you are exercising those skills against a competitor who has little or no wrestling training.

Some MMA competitors are considered to be great grapplers simply because they get takedowns, but that isn't really a great determining factor because many of their opponents don't mind fighing from their backs. Some prefer to be there.

Also, it's ridiculously easy to take down and control (ride) someone who has no wrestling training. Even an average wrestler could stay on top of, and in control of, a much heavier opponent for a considerable amount of time if that opponent was not trained in wrestling.

Many MMA fighters have the most basic wrestling training and therefore can be taken down easily from a clinch or when they are fatigued. They are also easy prey to a deep shot that ends in a double or single leg if they don't land a punch.

Chuck Liddell is rumored to be a very good wrestler. I've never seen him use the skills, but I have seen him effectively demonstrate an effective enough sprawl against MMA fighters to avoid beong taken down. However, a highly skilled Greco Roman wrestler named Randy Couture virtually took Liddell down at will.

With wrestling, it's easy to look great against poorly trained opponents.

If you want a grappler to emulate for success in MMA. You will need to pick one who has made the successful adaptation from wrestling where the competitors are not trained in finishing or submissions to MMA.

Two good examples would be Couture and Matt Hughes.

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post #34 of 38 (permalink) Old 07-22-2006, 02:22 AM
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Matt Hughes, Fedor Emelianenko? Is this some joke? Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is a way better grappler than both of them no doubt. So are Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Ricardo Arona, Mauricio Rua they are the best grapplers nowadays no doubt about it. And the best of all time is Rickson Gracie don't argue. I've seen his matches, the man is a crazy grappler. He grapples so crazy he submits you in under a minute.
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post #35 of 38 (permalink) Old 09-20-2006, 12:13 AM
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anyone from the gracie, or machado family is the greatest grappler. Btw i train with jean jeaques machado!
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post #36 of 38 (permalink) Old 09-20-2006, 01:24 AM
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Matt Hughes no doubt

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Jeff Monson and dean Lister are the best grapplers for sure but, in mma they dont impress me at all. The most successful adcc grapplers to succeed in mma are probably arona, ricco rodriguez and josh barnett.
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post #38 of 38 (permalink) Old 09-22-2006, 03:32 AM
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Matt Hughes best grappler? No way, Barnett, Nogueira, Arona, Rua, they all own him in this subject.
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