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Old 07-22-2006, 01:29 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Greco Roman & Freestyle Examples

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As a former AAU Freestyle wrestling champion, I've read a lot of assumptions about wrestling styles. Some have been fairly accurate, but none have been 100% correct.

I hope to clear up the differences between the two styles of wrestling being discussed in this thread which are Greco Roman (not Roman-Greco) and Freestyle. We will not be discussing scholastic (high school) or collegiate wrestling.

Greco Roman

Greco Roman wrestling forbids the use of the legs for defense or offense therefore most takedowns do come from upper body throws or suplexes, but that does not make up the entire arsenal of a Greco Roman competitor.

Talented Greco Roman wrestlers use their hips with weight and momentum to take down their opponents with arm whips, whizzers, and other sneaky techniques.

Once on the mat, the bottom wrestler will usually flatten out to his stomach as the top wrestler attempts to turn the bottom man, often with a gutwrench, which is clasping both hands around the man's waist from behind, squeezing, and trying to roll over.

Other tools for placing the bottom wrestler on his back would be: arm bars and a half nelson.

Freestyle

Freestyle wrestling allows the use of the legs and therefore opens up the arsenal of the competitors. The goal is the same as in Greco Roman: put your opponent on his back and stay off of yours.

It would be impossible to discuss all of the options available to Freestyle wrestlers. There are too many.


If you'd like to know about anything specific, post a question in this thread, and I'll do my best to clear it up. It's cool to see an intelligent discussion on an important discipline in MMA: wrestling.


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Old 07-22-2006, 01:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Ultimate Fighting Techniques For Wrestlers

Here's an article I had published recently. It relates to this thread


Ultimate Fighting Techniques For Wrestlers


MMA, commonly called Ultimate Fighting, has evolved through various stages. Initially, Royce Gracie inspired an explosion where all fighters absorbed as much Jiu Jitsu as they possibly could.

This move to ground fighting made champion wrestlers confident that they could excel in MMA. Wrestlers like Kevin Jackson proved the theory correct. He was very effective during the early 1990's.

Wrestling tactics will allow a fighter to control his opponent, however; they need to be modified to be truly effective in MMA where the desired result is to finish the opponent by knockout or submission.

Pure wrestlers have failed to succeed in MMA on a grand scale due to the ingrained training that is drilled into their heads from the first day they step on a wrestling mat. The biggest challenge that wrestlers face in MMA is the fear of having their backs or shoulders on the mat.

Every wrestler fights to stay off of his back. It's in our blood. Champion wrestlers have conditioned themselves to keep from going to their backs without having to think about it. We make it become a reflex action.

In a wrestling match, a competitor risks giving up points or getting pinned when his shoulders are exposed to the mat. This is not the case in MMA where the competitor on his back can actually have the advantage, and finish the match.

Wrestlers who wish to excel in MMA need to stop thinking like wrestlers, and start thinking like fighters. It will be a challenge for those that have spent years honing skills to championship levels; instinct takes over. But, the same strong mind that makes one a champion can adapt and make some modifications that can transform the champion wrestler into the most devastating MMA competitor.

A wrestler with decent skills can nullify the skills of a world champion boxer or martial artist with one simple take down. Once on the ground the entire arsenal of a stand up fighter is depleted and the expert is relegated to an ordinary fighter with no training. Instinct will take over, and since there has been no training; the results will be that of an ordinary unskilled fighter. The wrestler, even just an average one, will have an enormous advantage and should dominate the fight.

If wrestlers can adapt the traditional moves that are taught with slight modifications focused on submitting, punishing, and finishing their opponents; they will excel in MMA and take the sport to the next level. Wrestlers starting out today that desire to one day compete in MMA should prepare for both sports at the same time so that they will not have to retrain their minds to lose the fear of exposing their backs to the mat.

Ray Mardo, a champion freestyle wrestler and coach, has modified wrestling techniques as MMA finishing and submission maneuvers. He's webmaster of http://www.UltimateFightingChampionship.com.
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Old 07-22-2006, 11:35 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Good article ray. what kind of freestyle champ were you? like what event?
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Old 07-22-2006, 12:14 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Glad you enjoyed the article. Thanks.

I won a few medals, probably the most promininent in the AAU was the 136.5 lb. Middle Atlantic Region title. I didn't know much about freestyle when I started competing, learned as I went along.

All of my experience was based on scholastic wrestling where if you roll through across your back to your base, you give up no points. Such is not the case in Freestyle where I rolled through enough times in one match to lose by a technical fall. Tough way to learn the rules. I thought I was doing good ;-)

I also competed in the AAU Greco Roman tournaments just for experience and some mat time to work out since they were held at the same time as the Freestyle events. I never even contemplated wrestling that style until the day of the event.

It's tough.

I use a lot of leg riding techniques and also use legs to defend moves. That was all eliminated in Greco Roman.

My first Greco Roman match was against Eric Wetzel who, at the time, was ranked 16th in the world. Wetzel wrestled full time for the USMC. He was incredible. What a learning experience.



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Glad you enjoyed the article. Thanks.

I won a few medals, probably the most promininent in the AAU was the 136.5 lb. Middle Atlantic Region title. I didn't know much about freestyle when I started competing, learned as I went along.

All of my experience was based on scholastic wrestling where if you roll through across your back to your base, you give up no points. Such is not the case in Freestyle where I rolled through enough times in one match to lose by a technical fall. Tough way to learn the rules. I thought I was doing good ;-)

I also competed in the AAU Greco Roman tournaments just for experience and some mat time to work out since they were held at the same time as the Freestyle events. I never even contemplated wrestling that style until the day of the event.

It's tough.

I use a lot of leg riding techniques and also use legs to defend moves. That was all eliminated in Greco Roman.

My first Greco Roman match was against Eric Wetzel who, at the time, was ranked 16th in the world. Wetzel wrestled full time for the USMC. He was incredible. What a learning experience.



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cool.. were glad for your insight real asset so far.
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I agree...collegiate/folkstyle wrestling is an awesome base for MMA...the only real negative that I can think of applying it to the street is that it is not good is that it's so reliant on shots and single/double legs that you'd blow out your kneecaps trying that on a hard surface.
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<<The biggest challenge that wrestlers face in MMA is the fear of having their backs or shoulders on the mat.>>

I think the bigger challenge is getting punched in the face. I have seen NCAA national championship caliber wrestlers who didn't like getting clocked in the head stay away from MMA for that reason.
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I like GR because I am too scared of getting caught in guillotines when I shoot for a double. I would rather not put myself in that position, the fact the top ranked professionals get caught and subbed with it does not add to my confidence.
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