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HARD_KNOCKS · 07-04-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMan

I like BJJ.org, but it does have a kind of onesided approach that the Gracie's had at the early UFCs. BJJ is not the only answer.

Very True Ironman.

**Onganju** · 07-06-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMan

I like BJJ.org, but it does have a kind of onesided approach that the Gracie's had at the early UFCs. BJJ is not the only answer.

At this moment in time, it seems to be the only credible and verifiable route that a lot of aspiring grapplers can go. If you try to find places that do Sambo, Catch, or Submission Wrestling, it is very hard to find credible places at this moment (at least in the U.S.). A lot of times you will find that those types of places will usually have an experienced BJJ instructor there anyways.

The only route that I know that would be just as easy to verify would be a place to study Judo. But even then, due to the amount of time that Judo has been popular/available, you still run into the chance of ending up in some "McDojo."

**IronMan** · 07-07-2006, 03:27 PM

To get really good sambo you have to go to Eastern Europe, because great sambo guys don't really come to the States, except Arlovski and as far as I know he's not teaching.

Yeah, "McDojo" seems like a pretty appropriate word for some places. I also don't understand how guys like Fabiano Scherner can end up in the UFC with a one martial art backround, but Dana White has always loved bringing in BJJ guys, regardless of how good they actually are.

the trainer · 07-14-2006, 06:08 AM

the ultimate "mc dojo" is GKR karate! great buisness poor quality product!

my bjj instructor recently graded a guy who just started straight to 4 stripes just cos he was good enough (he had trained a couple years in brazil but never been graded)

The Don · 07-14-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the trainer

the ultimate "mc dojo" is GKR karate! great buisness poor quality product!

my bjj instructor recently graded a guy who just started straight to 4 stripes just cos he was good enough (he had trained a couple years in brazil but never been graded)

what about Tiger Schulmans.. They have a school in NY that gave a black belt to a 6 year old who started training at 4..

**IronMan** · 07-17-2006, 02:32 PM

Now that seems really stupid. At 6 years old you definitely can't be physically mature enough to defend yourself.

I've been fighting in TKD for a long time and sometimes I still do. The really hysterical guys are the guys who think that breaking a board is the same as breaking an arm or a leg. I've seen guys who could smash watermelons who can't throw a knock out punch. Wood and bone are definitely two different things.

**Onganju** · 07-17-2006, 07:45 PM

I think Bruce said it best in "Enter the Dragon."

"Boards don't hit back." Just like any live opponent can't realistically be expected just to stand in front of you asking to be hit. Even more so for someone who is actually trained.

GAVUTLITY11 · 10-08-2006, 07:44 PM

In my bjj class i am a white belt, but i can tap the blue belts that i train with about 70% of the time. There is a white belt that started about a month before me and when we train it is 50-50. so belts sometimes dont mean anything. I have actually seen a blue belt tap my instructor (it was a lucky catch) but it happens. so it isn't about how much you know, it is about how effectivly and efficiently you can apply what you do know. In our class it is more important to perfect 5 or 6 techniques as opposed to knowing 10 mediocre techniques.

**IronMan** · 10-08-2006, 11:24 PM

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In my bjj class i am a white belt, but i can tap the blue belts that i train with about 70% of the time. There is a white belt that started about a month before me and when we train it is 50-50. so belts sometimes dont mean anything. I have actually seen a blue belt tap my instructor (it was a lucky catch) but it happens. so it isn't about how much you know, it is about how effectivly and efficiently you can apply what you do know. In our class it is more important to perfect 5 or 6 techniques as opposed to knowing 10 mediocre techniques.

Sure, but the real difference comes when you have a guy on top of you pounding trying to take your head off with his right hand. That's when the difference between the beginners and the masters show up.

As for the difference between blue-belt and white-belt, it doesn't require much skill to really get a blue-belt. I know guys who could be given that rank walking into a dojo, but that doesn't mean that they're mast grapplers, or even experienced grapplers.

Everybody gets tapped once in a while, if there was someone who said that they've never been tapped out the they're definitely lying. The only difference between a black-belt and a white-belt is that a black-belt has been tapped out a hundred different ways and they know how not to let it happen anymore, even though sometimes it does.

**ozz525** · 10-09-2006, 09:49 AM

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excellent so the first belt you earn is a blue belt if I am reading this correctly. now someone like me I do have a decent amount grappling training though no offical belts in grappling, would they test me to see what I know or just make me start fresh?

At my bjj school the jungle gym they give you a new belt or a stripe if you preform well in a tournement or show improvement in sparing