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Old 01-16-2009, 04:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Regarding the 10th Planet System

I'm hoping someone can clear some questions I have regarding the debate between the 10th Planet System and traditional BJJ. To start what is the reasoning behind the claim that rubber guard doesn't work? Many Brazilians feel this way and I have even heard my instructor claim that he would tap out anyone in a mma fight if they tried it on him. He probably would considering there aren't that many guys with good rubber guards and he happens to be an extremely skilled black belt, but many Brazilians are certain that it is completely ineffective.

Also, there is the debate between gi and no gi. Eddie states that the gi forms bad habits and doesn't transition well into mma which actually makes sense, but then you have world class guys like Roger Gracie and Marcelo who swear by the gi. They say the gi will make your overall game much more technical but who is actually right? Are they both claims a little right or is the gi simply something that will hinder the development to you grappling technique?
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Deep, deep waters my friend. As a metter of fact, the rubber guard has many techniques similar to other guard systems For instance, Demian Maia's triangle choke is a part of the 10th planet system, but it is also part of other systems as well.

The rubber guard actually seems to work better in mma than grappling, if you watch Aoki and those guys, but in pure grappling Marcelo Garcia's sweep based guard might be the better alternative. However, as you realize, a lot of Marcelo's guard game is not ideal for mma.

I personally like some rubber guard techniques, but I don't have the whole system as a go-to. I grappled first with the Gi and then without and in my oppinion, the gi made me a sloppier grappler; I wasn't as tight as you have to be without the gi. (as of now I train at an MMA gym with strictly No-gi)

A thing though: The rubber guard should not be used against people with good defense. A friend of mine at my gym has trained about the same time as me and is doing the rubber guard ALL the time. I've just laid a little less time in guard defense and guard passing, and his rubber guard has never submitted me as of yet. (And he does know quite a lot of rubber guard so don't give me the whole "it's the person, not the system". When he faces people not familiar with it he taps asses and takes names!).

In the end, it's just another system which I like fairly much and it should not be overlooked.

IronMan could probably put all this much better than me, though. And he prolly have some good points that negate some of mine and adds what I've forgotten
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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joppp how long have you been doing this grappling stuff?

my honest belief about rubber guard is, yes it works. on everyone? no. you may catch people slippin. but royce gracie would not have dominated in the begining of ufc days as much if everyone had the knowledge of bjj. same goes for the rubber guard, use it while you can, until the next new thing comes out. no style or system should be overlooked.
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:14 AM   #4 (permalink)
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joppp how long have you been doing this grappling stuff?

my honest belief about rubber guard is, yes it works. on everyone? no. you may catch people slippin. but royce gracie would not have dominated in the begining of ufc days as much if everyone had the knowledge of bjj. same goes for the rubber guard, use it while you can, until the next new thing comes out. no style or system should be overlooked.
I've done it for about a year and a half, really sorry if I come off as a perosn who thinks he knows much more than he does But I'm a bit of a theory freak, so my theoretical grappling skills are far beyond my physical skills (even though they are catching up).

But still; view everything in my post from a smaller perspective then "black belt" .
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