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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-30-2006, 04:33 AM
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becarefull with chains dont condition yourself to immediately follow up with certain techniques and then over look a much easier submition because you are going through a chain. Some times when you get to scientific you over complicate things and over look easy submitions or even better positioning advantages.

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becarefull with chains dont condition yourself to immediately follow up with certain techniques and then over look a much easier submition because you are going through a chain. Some times when you get to scientific you over complicate things and over look easy submitions or even better positioning advantages.
i would agree 100% not everyone you face will do exactly like they said it would go down in practice. being adaptable to the situation is the best.
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Very true.

Chain wrestling, transition, or whatever you call it - it is a technique that one uses to attempt to continue wrestling (I say "wrestling" because I learned this training technique initially in wrestling) if your opponent attempts to counter you.

In wrestling two people would go half speed from move to move countering eachother.

One key point to keep in mind when practicing with "chains" or "transitions," as was intelligently alluded to by mrymz, is not to get caught up in patterns. You don't want to become predictable by conditioning yourself to respond the same way all the time in a given situation.

The scenario one wants to aspire to is to transition from one move to another seamlessly, but not to a predetermined counter to your opponent's move. You want to transition to the "best" counter based on the situation you are in.

This level of skill is attained by long periods of chain wrestling with a partner that will put you in the same situation many times so that you can transition to various situations by executing different counters.

After several sessions of chain wrestling, the counters will start to come naturally; and you will find yourself flowing into the appropriate counter when going full speed in practice, or in an actual match. And you will be fully prepared if your opponent has an effective counter for your counter.

One last point: When I say "half speed," that doesn't necessarily refer to the actual speed or tempo (though it can when slowing down to get the feel of a move). It refers to the intensity of the action. You are not trying to actually counter your partner in a practice section of chain wrestling. You want to employ a good counter and then respond with another after he does the same thing.

You simply continue for a set period of time.



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good post there. thats exactly whats supposed to happens chains are taught to teach you how to transition from one situation to another. The japanese do it in the way of kata but its essentially the same idea. You condition your mind and muscles to react to certain things certain ways. The idea isnt to go for this after this in sequence. Instead its made so that when you see this opening you imediately react with this submition.

The big trend in grappeling now a days is that people want to over analyze certain situations and use certain submitions over others. Most of the time the simplest thing is the most effective.

Look at take downs judo foot sweeps are some of the easiest moves to pull off but alot of people dont use them and opt to take much more complicated throws.

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Using Judo throws is an excellent example of simple moves that are overlooked in favor of more complicated technique. Karo Parysian (I believe that is spelled properly) uses Judo throws very effectively against very skilled competitors. The throws are very basic trips with weight positioning and momentum.


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good post there. thats exactly whats supposed to happens chains are taught to teach you how to transition from one situation to another. The japanese do it in the way of kata but its essentially the same idea. You condition your mind and muscles to react to certain things certain ways. The idea isnt to go for this after this in sequence. Instead its made so that when you see this opening you imediately react with this submition.

The big trend in grappeling now a days is that people want to over analyze certain situations and use certain submitions over others. Most of the time the simplest thing is the most effective.

Look at take downs judo foot sweeps are some of the easiest moves to pull off but alot of people dont use them and opt to take much more complicated throws.
foot sweeps are ok i'll do them once in a while, mostly i use them for a set up for another throw, because i am looking for an "ippon", and for my it is very hard to get a perfect foot sweep against an opponent that knows what they are doing...
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foot sweeps are ok i'll do them once in a while, mostly i use them for a set up for another throw, because i am looking for an "ippon", and for my it is very hard to get a perfect foot sweep against an opponent that knows what they are doing...
alot of people have problems with foot sweeps because they cant get either the kuzushi right or the footwork right. If your lacking in foot work do uchicomi relgiously untill you have that taken care of if its the off balancing just work with some one and do off balancing drills. if you have those two things together you will have perfect sweeps

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alot of people have problems with foot sweeps because they cant get either the kuzushi right or the footwork right. If your lacking in foot work do uchicomi relgiously untill you have that taken care of if its the off balancing just work with some one and do off balancing drills. if you have those two things together you will have perfect sweeps
true, and i do uchi's till i wanna throw up.
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yeah uchicomi is the easiest part to train because you can get that with repitition off balancing is a little harder because its more of a feel thing. It takes some time to develop that

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