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TheSuplexor 11-28-2006 04:22 PM

Chain Grappling
 
isn't BJJ all about this, going from one move if the other fails? What are some link moves that you do when grappling? Also how long does it really take to get decent at this?

IronMan 11-29-2006 09:58 PM

Yeah, this is an alright name for it. Some people call it spontaneous grappling, in wrestling it's called scrambling.

They teach alot of position to beginners in BJJ, but after about a year of good submission grappling training you can better at this. There is also flow grappling, which they teach in Aikido to deal with people who just suddenly fight the technique, and I apply that principle instead. I think it takes longer to get used to, but it's more effective.

americanfighter 11-29-2006 10:16 PM

they teach this in high school wrestling. makeing one move then another of that one. it took me about a week and a half with each chain to get it and another week to master.

JawShattera 11-30-2006 12:15 AM

some chain moves i use allot:


from triangle choke if they try to wrap their hands around me to block i go for an omoplata on w/e side the triangle is on, if they dont then i go for an armbar.

from a failed kimura i like to try and work an omoplata as my leg is already in position to whip over, if its clear the omo isnt gonna happen i go for the back and work subs from there.

from the back if i cant sink the choke i fool my opponent by grabbing his head and forcing it up with no intention of going for the choke just waiting for him to make a mistake with his arm then a grab it and go for an armbar.if he doesent make any mistakes when i pull his head up i hug him from the back with my arm in his neck and the other coming up the midsection to meet it and clasp my hands.

when he try's to break my grip i whip my leg up, trap his arm and go for the rear triangle choke and if i mess that up i can still go for the rear triangle armbar if im lucky.

I like to counter single leg takedowns with kimura's and guillotine chokes sometimes.

armbars and omoplata's are good together cuz from a failed omoplata attemppt you can go for an omoplata armbar which is an armbar in a failed omoplata position. a failed armbar can be changed to an omoplata if you can forcefully secure the arm in the right position, get that forearm in your crotch.


also from kimura position if its not going to well the enemy is distracted and your in the right position to go for a guillotine. kimura to guillotine is another i like to use.

TheSuplexor 11-30-2006 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by americanfighter
they teach this in high school wrestling. makeing one move then another of that one. it took me about a week and a half with each chain to get it and another week to master.

yeah i am working on this in wrestling, 8th grade though.
cool post shattera, some karma your way;)

mrmyz 12-27-2006 07:23 AM

the shamrocks system is a good example of this especially if you look at how frank shamrock fights he goes from one move to another to another.

Here are some links I use from cross body.

1. From cross body if you have it go for the kimora
2. To counter the kimora they usually streghten their hands so you can apply a cross body arm bar using a figure four with your arms
3. to brake out of the arm bar they need to turn the wrist which opens them up for another submision. I dont know the name in english but I think you guys call it a key lock.
4. You will usually get the key lock but in gi events or on the street some times they will counter that by grabbing on to their pant legs if they do this you can then try and pull off a arm bar by coming around the body.


If you ever get some one in kesagatame
1. Americana from kesagatame
2. Smother choke

LV 2 H8 U 12-27-2006 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JawShattera
some chain moves i use allot:


from triangle choke if they try to wrap their hands around me to block i go for an omoplata on w/e side the triangle is on, if they dont then i go for an armbar.

from a failed kimura i like to try and work an omoplata as my leg is already in position to whip over, if its clear the omo isnt gonna happen i go for the back and work subs from there.

from the back if i cant sink the choke i fool my opponent by grabbing his head and forcing it up with no intention of going for the choke just waiting for him to make a mistake with his arm then a grab it and go for an armbar.if he doesent make any mistakes when i pull his head up i hug him from the back with my arm in his neck and the other coming up the midsection to meet it and clasp my hands.

when he try's to break my grip i whip my leg up, trap his arm and go for the rear triangle choke and if i mess that up i can still go for the rear triangle armbar if im lucky.

I like to counter single leg takedowns with kimura's and guillotine chokes sometimes.

armbars and omoplata's are good together cuz from a failed omoplata attemppt you can go for an omoplata armbar which is an armbar in a failed omoplata position. a failed armbar can be changed to an omoplata if you can forcefully secure the arm in the right position, get that forearm in your crotch.


also from kimura position if its not going to well the enemy is distracted and your in the right position to go for a guillotine. kimura to guillotine is another i like to use.

Good advice! I use many of the same setups.

kishiro 12-28-2006 04:53 PM

the grappling your speaking of is called transitioning

TheSuplexor 12-29-2006 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kishiro
the grappling your speaking of is called transitioning

sure you can call it that or chain wrestling...anything works;)

kishiro 12-29-2006 04:37 PM

i'll call it transition grappling, because that is what we call it in judo and bjj, when we do our newaza.
Transition (grappling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


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