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post #11 of 30 (permalink) Old 07-22-2009, 08:39 PM
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harai goshi was the throw, not o guruma. he pulled the throw off his opponets force, not step into a non moving opponet.

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harai goshi was the throw, not o guruma. he pulled the throw off his opponets force, not step into a non moving opponet.
Could be, he did not seem to have correct positioning for Harai Goshi.

I didn't watch it thoroughly and can't be bothered to as I really hate that movie.


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Could be, he did not seem to have correct positioning for Harai Goshi.

I didn't watch it thoroughly and can't be bothered to as I really hate that movie.
yea the movie sucked, but it was a nice throw. i did not spend much time on it, i watched it once, but i saw him play off his opponets force, not set to his opponet for the throw.
now i wonder, what is the correct positioning for the harai?

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yea the movie sucked, but it was a nice throw. i did not spend much time on it, i watched it once, but i saw him play off his opponets force, not set to his opponet for the throw.
now i wonder, what is the correct positioning for the harai?
The position of the leg when throwing, your are correct about the opponents force though.

From what I saw, as I said I looked very quickly it seemed it was way higher then I have seen Harai Goshi done. Like in the video is the position where I do it too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gzk4M3OA0U


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It looked like Harai Goshi, but his leg seems too high, therefore I believe it's O Guruma. Maybe I should post this on a judo forum and see their opinion...

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we could debate all day and night, i could say "hey he did under hooked and did not use a high lapel grip" this is a nogi throw, with a deep under hook as he had how would/could you get a step in hip twisting action you need to throw an o guruma, o guruma you need space for your hip attack.

o guruma, notice space for stepping twist attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcpLisR8W8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNf08...eature=related

harai goshi, notice tightness. that is why he used the underhook to break his balance, and load him
http://www.judo.ethz.ch/photos/01022005/DSC00313.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gzk4M3OA0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzJvve7g54s

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Judoka, it is same throw as your gif, the only diffrence it the under hook vs over the shoulder

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Judoka, it is same throw as your gif, the only diffrence it the under hook vs over the shoulder
The throw in the gif looks more like ashi guruma to me.

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The throw in the gif looks more like ashi guruma to me.


notice the tightness in the upper body, again.

the techincal name of the throw in the GIF is harai makikomi(sweeping wraparound) with an over the shoulder grip as in the 2nd GIF shown. vs the swimming through grip.
the throw is 99% the same as harai goshi, the only diffrence is the follow through, standing or impact control to land on him.

http://judoinfo.com/images/animation...aimakikomi.htm

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notice the tightness in the upper body, again.

the techincal name of the throw in the GIF is harai makikomi(sweeping wraparound) with an over the shoulder grip as in the 2nd GIF shown. vs the swimming through grip.
the throw is 99% the same as harai goshi, the only diffrence is the follow through, standing or impact control to land on him.

http://judoinfo.com/images/animation...aimakikomi.htm
Would that mean that the throw in the movie is also harai makikomi?

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