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Would that mean that the throw in the movie is also harai makikomi?
no, the throw in the movie was harai goshi, the throw was finished standing, not with impact control

finished standing=harai goshi
impact control=harai makikomi

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no, the throw in the movie was harai goshi, the throw was finished standing, not with impact control

finished standing=harai goshi
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Well the throw in the movie could very well be harai goshi except the leg is too high for a classical harai.

But the throw in the sig is considerably different from the throw in the movie IMO. In the sig he reaps opponents leg without outbalancing him enough, that's why I thought it was ashi guruma.

In Harai Goshi, as we both know, your leg just follows through. It doesn't actually reap or sweep the opponents leg because you outbalance your opponent enough so that he isn't really standing on his foot.

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Well the throw in the movie could very well be harai goshi except the leg is too high for a classical harai.

But the throw in the sig is considerably different from the throw in the movie IMO. In the sig he reaps opponents leg without outbalancing him enough, that's why I thought it was ashi guruma.

In Harai Goshi, as we both know, your leg just follows through. It doesn't actually reap or sweep the opponents leg because you outbalance your opponent enough so that he isn't really standing on his foot.
and as we both know just as any judoka that has been in the game for longer than 6 months, the harai is a tight upper body throw as in the film and as in the gif.

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Yeah it wasn't Harai Makikomi. The leg position is higher then I have usually seen but I am fine with it being labeled Harai Goshi.


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Yeah it wasn't Harai Makikomi. The leg position is higher then I have usually seen but I am fine with it being labeled Harai Goshi.
to what throw was this comment refering to?

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to what throw was this comment refering to?
The one we are the supposed to be referring to. By leg position being high I meant for the original throw, nothing to do with harai makikomi.


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The one we are the supposed to be referring to. By leg position being high I meant for the original throw, nothing to do with harai makikomi.
what are you talking about??

the throw in the youtube film is the harai goshi.

harai makikomi is the gif you have on your profile.

nobody ever said the film is the harai makikomi.

the leg positioning high? the harai makikomi come into play with the finish of the throw. why can you guys not see the imact control??? once you get the hook/sweep on it is the final possition that makes the makikomi

where the hell are you guys learning your judo??

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what are you talking about??

the throw in the youtube film is the harai goshi.

harai makikomi is the gif you have on your profile.

nobody ever said the film is the harai makikomi.

the leg positioning high? the harai makikomi come into play with the finish of the throw. why can you guys not see the imact control??? once you get the hook/sweep on it is the final possition that makes the makikomi

where the hell are you guys learning your judo??
I am saying that the throw in the film is NOT Harai Makikomi, infact i actually agreed with you about it being Harai Goshi but the leg positioning is high. I never said anything AGAINST the control etc, you seem to be imagine me saying anything about apart from when i believe I agreed with you that it was there.

I am talking about the ORIGINAL throw in the film, not any others.

Before you insult my Judo credentials understand what the f**k is being said before you do it.


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what are you talking about??

the throw in the youtube film is the harai goshi.

harai makikomi is the gif you have on your profile.

nobody ever said the film is the harai makikomi.

the leg positioning high? the harai makikomi come into play with the finish of the throw. why can you guys not see the imact control??? once you get the hook/sweep on it is the final possition that makes the makikomi

where the hell are you guys learning your judo??
I think you have to work on your manners a bit. There is no need to insult anyone. As I said, I thought the throw in the movie is harai goshi but the leg position is not right. If it is harai goshi then it's modified, both with the underhook and with the high leg.

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and as we both know just as any judoka that has been in the game for longer than 6 months, the harai is a tight upper body throw as in the film and as in the gif.
Harai is learned during your second year of Judo. How can you know it in first six months, huh?

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