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post #31 of 38 (permalink) Old 12-13-2006, 03:15 AM
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Getting this thread back on topic...

1. Slavo slap
2. Right straight
3. Knees
4. rear naked choke
5. sleeper
6. full nelson
7. compliance wrist locks
8. low kicks & nutshots
9. Eye gouging
10. Biting
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1. Slavo slap
2. Right straight
3. Knees
4. rear naked choke
5. sleeper
6. full nelson
7. compliance wrist locks
8. low kicks & nutshots
9. Eye gouging
10. Biting
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pretty dirty. isn't an rnc a sleeper?
and lol at full nelson!
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im sorry but for law enforcement it would be stupid to try and grapple some one and get into a submision match with them. I dont think any of you guys here are cops but when you enter into a grapeling fight your assuming no one else is going to be involved. Grappeling is all well and good but in this line of work closing the distance and taking them down is not a smart thing to do especially when I have a belt full of tools that can easily deal with situations with out me having to get my uniform dirty.

Also remember the guard is a nuetral position in grappeling but in real world situations it is a disadvantageous position. Your not on a mat you might possibly be on concrete on glass or lord knows what. Also im not going to pound the crap out of some one when I have alot of weapons available to me. The best one being back up.

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I cant make a list of just ten moves. cops should know everything a BJJ or MMA fighter knows so they can get out of every possible Junkie or psycho situation.. your stuff is good too though. And bigger guns
we dont need to know everything an mma fighter knows because we have something holstered that can destroy a mma fighter before he is even in range to do anything. I dont need to know BJJ because if some one tries to fight me I will just tazer the shit out of him.

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lick nuts bro, 3/10 cops are dirty, 8/10 violate your rights
Yeah thats it, its rare that a cop will ever violate your rights because one the majority of the population dont know there rights and its your responsibility to inforce your rights. Also cops wont violate your rights because if we do any lawyer will have that evidence thrown out in court. Its called fruit of the poisonous tree. Unlawfully aquired evidence isnt admisible in court. So we do things by the book.

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wtf are you talking about evil, you sound like a little kid yourself talking like that. all i said is that allot of cops are dirty muther****ers. its no big deal.
show some respect for the shield. The only reason your still alive to talk stupid smack like that is because there are officers on the street that maintain the public order. Look what happened in New Orleans when their was no police presence because of the hurricane. It was chaos people did what ever the hell they wanted. The police maintain the order in this society show some respect you indignant little **** because my job is to keep you safe.

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one time i got my head slammed into the hood of a patrol car by some cop cuz i was at a spot check and i had a weed leaf air freshner thing in my car. i wasnt resisting or nothing he just did it.
i got more bullshit cop stories too but **** telling them unless someone asks.
ok so you gave the cop probable cause and judging from the way you post probably egged him on. We are human beings there are good cops and there are bad cops. Just like there are good teachers and there are bad teachers. We are human beings. I know exactly why you have had bad experiences with cops. We do something called an asshole test where we say something to piss you off to see how you react to the statement. We use this to asses the situation and we read body language. We are trained to pick up on specific cues. If I see that your an asshole my guard is going up and im maintaining my position of power.

Im sorry but we cant be nice if you have a police force full of daisy pickers no one is going to respect them. We arent here to coddle you we are here to inforce the law. If you dont want to deal with us then simply dont brake the law. If you have had a situation with a police officer it is because you initiated the situation in some way shape or form. Whether it be a traffic infraction that you committed or because you were doing something you werent supposed to.


oh and for those that want to know Im not local law enforcement yet. I'm a MP Reservist in the Army and I have served over seas in Afghanistan. I may have done and seen more then most cops on the street so my expertise is coming from that experience.

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Police should focus on their standard procedures. If you follow procedure the chances of you having to get into a grappeling situation are slim to none. Keep every one at a distance and if the situation starts getting sticky your gun, pepper spray and taizer are all on your belt.

As much as tv makes yout think that police work is uber dangerous its not 90% of us dont fire our guns because by the time we get there the offenders have either left, the situation is resolved or every ones shitting bricks because a cops there.

These are the only 10 grappeling techniques a cop needs to know everything else wont be used because of the way we handle situations.

1. Upa Escape - I beleive every person should at the very least understand how to escape from the mount. shit happens and you may find yourself in this situation and most people dont know how to deal with it. This is why the upa escape is probably the most important technique to learn.

2. Rear naked choke - you need this to pass some one out every once and awhile whether it be from a fight when your seperating people.

3. Sprawl - i think its important to know how to keep from being taken down because you cant use your weapons properly if your falling

4. Various wrist locks they dont really work to well on people who are martial artists but they work really good on people that dont know what the hell they are doing which is most of the population

5. How to escape a head lock

6. How to escape a clinch situation

7. Body transfer - knowing foot work is really important when your handeling people on the street.

8. Foot sweeps - Most sweeps are very basic so it doesnt take long to learn the hard part is training people how to set them up with off balancing.

9. Clinching techniques - under hooks over hooks body locks

10. I think they should be exposed to common take downs but not neccessarily trained in them. I think they should be familar with the common ones so they know how to defend against them but they dont need to be able to do them.

Like I said we really dont get into that many altercations where we need to use this stuff but you should prepare for the worst case scenario. These are the best techniques to learn because they compliment the officers streghnth.

Think of the cop as a long range striker. thats what they are they use their gun as their weapon and its effective in long range combat. He wants to keep away from people. So the best grappeling techniques he can learn are those which keep people away from him or get him away when hes to close.

Those techniques I think are the best ones that compliment the officers life style.

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My coaches and many of the guys I train with are cops. We train BJJ, MT, Boxing, wrestling, Sambo and Combat Yoga.
I'm not a cop, but if I was, I would put all of my eggs into the "I'll shoot 'em before he gets close" basket. Things have a way of suprising you.
I think the best way is to learn as much as you can taking the techniques that work well and leaving the flashy ones for Hollywood.
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thats why I said train escapes if you know escapes and take down defense as a cop thats all you really need. You cant concentrate on grappeling when your dealing with people because in the real world every one isnt going to stand back and watch the fight. His freinds will jump in and get involved.

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thats why I said train escapes if you know escapes and take down defense as a cop thats all you really need. You cant concentrate on grappeling when your dealing with people because in the real world every one isnt going to stand back and watch the fight. His freinds will jump in and get involved.
Agreed! Cops and anyone else in the street are susceptable to multiple attackers. Takedown defense, escapes and striking are best, but if you are one on one and a BJJ submision is needed for control it's good to know them. Not all submissions require the fighters to be on the ground. Training for self defense and training to compete are soooo different.

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