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SurfNinja 09-25-2009 09:46 PM

Options when you're inside an opponent's guard
 
Sometimes I roll with stronger guys who have extremely tight guards and passing seems either a) nearly impossible, or b) like a waste of energy.

So what I'm looking for are other things that I can do before I attempt the guard pass; things that can distract or grief my opponent so he/she might do something that I can exploit.

And just a final note: please don't give me anything too dirty like nut shots or eye-gouges, because I'm the smallest guy in my gym and I'm not trying to get my ass kicked. :thumb02:

Curly 09-25-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfNinja (Post 1006348)

And just a final note: please don't give me anything too dirty like nut shots or eye-gouges, because I'm the smallest guy in my gym and I'm not trying to get my ass kicked. :thumb02:


WELL YOU COULD TRY WHAT TIM SYLVIA DID ONCE... Just poop on them.

Jeff_Joslin 09-25-2009 11:04 PM

Are you rolling with a gi on or no-gi?

Halfraq9 09-26-2009 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfNinja (Post 1006348)
Sometimes I roll with stronger guys who have extremely tight guards and passing seems either a) nearly impossible, or b) like a waste of energy.

So what I'm looking for are other things that I can do before I attempt the guard pass; things that can distract or grief my opponent so he/she might do something that I can exploit.

And just a final note: please don't give me anything too dirty like nut shots or eye-gouges, because I'm the smallest guy in my gym and I'm not trying to get my ass kicked. :thumb02:

I have the same problem sometimes. I've had some success with a move called a canopener. Basically you put both hands on the back/crown of their head and your elbows as close as possible together on their chest, and pull. In order to relieve the pressure on their neck muscles they need to sit up. This causes them to open their guard. From there I begin to work my pass.

This doesn't work all the time but it does give you an option to try when you get stuck or serve as a distraction. Good luck.

SurfNinja 09-26-2009 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff_Joslin (Post 1006431)
Are you rolling with a gi on or no-gi?

I do both, but I'm in a gi more often than not.

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Originally Posted by Halfraq9 (Post 1006472)
I have the same problem sometimes. I've had some success with a move called a canopener. Basically you put both hands on the back/crown of their head and your elbows as close as possible together on their chest, and pull. In order to relieve the pressure on their neck muscles they need to sit up. This causes them to open their guard. From there I begin to work my pass.

This doesn't work all the time but it does give you an option to try when you get stuck or serve as a distraction. Good luck.

That's actually a really good one. I remember watching a Bas Rutten video on Youtube where he used it to escape from a triangle. I definitely gotta use it more often. Thanks man!

Anyone else got some good stuff for me?

mr08sports 10-21-2009 08:14 PM

Being a small guy, watch when you go for that can opener. If you get yourself to one side too much, you'll get your back taken.
I myself am the smallest in my class and have had someone try that to me. I locked arm (pressed my head to the floor initially) and waited for them to pull. I then grabbed and pulled their arm across me which set me up with for an arm bar or to take their back. I chose the latter.
I always tell people that the only thing you can effectively do from the guard is pass it. Anything else sets you up to be submitted.

Poiarn 10-22-2009 11:15 AM

Yeah, the can opener is a really good move! sometimes (if your opponent is'nt very good) you can even make the guy submit.

Otherwise, the weakest spot in the guard is when they're doing a transmission to a submission/choke. for instance:

1.when he's tucking your arm under his leg for a triangle, just continue to push his leg over your head (if he's holding your hand, use your elbow/arm)and dodge the leg until your out, and then go for side mount.

2. do "the telephone" when he's going for an armbar

BlacklistShaun 10-22-2009 01:18 PM

Can opener is fine if you are not rolling with a guy with a really good guard who's well aware of the can opener. If you are rolling with a pretty good grappler you're likely going to end up in a lot of trouble trying a can opener.

Not to mention most lower belt rank classes in competition do not allow neck cranks. The can opener is a neck crank. You can use it to pass the guard, but there is a fine line in most competitions. I have seen guys tap because someone was using the can opener to pass and the guy using the can opener was DQ'd for using it and the other guy tapping.

LV 2 H8 U 10-22-2009 01:35 PM

Can opener is good to use sparingly and breifly. It can get you arm barred or arm triangled if you hold on too long. As soon as the legs loosen up go for a pass.
Also there is a good pass where you trap an arm down at his side. Then put your weight on his chest by standing in a tripod w/ butt high. When you do that you will either lift his hips up off of the mat or he will loosen his guard. If he isn't a tool and doesn't loosen his guard then you pass his arm that you trapped under his hips and grab it with the other hand. Then you extend your body way out flat on your tip toes and start walking in a circular motion towards his trapped arm. If done correctly he will have no choice but to open his guard as you pass to side control w/ his arm trapped under him. :thumb02:

mickkelly12 10-22-2009 07:36 PM

IMO there's no shortcut out of a strong guard,just apply the basics.
Keep your posture upright dont look at him look past him keep your spine straight.
Be patient if your posture is right he will struggle to do anything to you with a closed guard and when he opens his guard be ready and work your pass.
Simple in principle but Patience and posture will give you a n opening you just have to be ready to take it.

As for the can opener i wouldnt use it rolling i think its just nasty and is just using pain in the place of technique.


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