Alright. I've talked a lot about the upa in past threads. I've got a bit on it in the Back to Basics thread (in this section) if you're really curious what I think of the technique.
The short version is, it works. The short-ish version is: it works and it sets up other stuff too.
I don't know who Roy Dean is, I don't know his history. That said, the dude definitely gave a good walk through of the basics of mount escapes. That's basically how I'd teach them to a basics class.
Yes, but im talking probability and chance its easy to watch your surroundings from your feet. On the ground you are way less likely to see it coming and I can duck a bat or just run away, on the ground I can't do anything.
This is actually a great point. I make this all the time when I talk about street fighting.
If you ever watch the episode of Fight Quest on Krav Maga, the chick from that episode, Avivit Cohen, makes one of the best points ever.
Basically, you fall on the ground and I stop you until you die. Or my friend stomps and soccer kicks you until you die.
If the fight goes to the ground, though, a quick submission is often way more effective than jumping to your feet. I never recommend taking a fight to the ground, especially against multiple guys, but if you get taken down, work a quick choke or joint lock. If you have the basics down, this should cripple an opponent and give you some time to get back up.
I was actually talking about someone else stomping or head kicking while your on the ground with the other person, you are vulnerable greatly not just to the person your on the ground with but your defenseless to everything else.
Yeah, again, you can always (and this is especially true when fighting off of your back) use your opponent as a shield.
I'm not going to take time and work a sport-jiu-jitsu attack off of my back. That's what I try and explain. I'm not going to play half guard or butterfly guard.
I'm going to stack the guard into his armpits, work an armbar, shred his elbow and get back to my feet.
The most dangerous part is if you don't understand that you have to just destroy the arm. Then you're in serious danger of getting stomped.
you got lucky because in that same situation 9 of 10 times you wouldn't remember what happened if you could still be capable of remembering. I've hit guys who had friends and they ended up not wanting any of it, but on the ground I very much doubt they would walk away. Especially if you just choked their friend out which is remarkable they didn't all jump in at once, which seems the obvious choice since your occupied and defenseless on the ground and their friend is being choked.
In my experience, this reaction is actually pretty typical.
If you start off fighting one guy and you choke him out pretty quickly, his friends generally assume that you're competent, and not a guy they want to fight, and they leave.
No doubt bjj can be lethal, but in order to use it lets go through the steps.
OK.
You have to close the distance on a target which means you get close enough for him to hit you.
Generally, this is true, but, firstly, there's an error of phrasing.
If you're going to do
anything you have to get close enough for him to hit you.
The second problem is that most guys will close the distance anyway in a fist fight. If they want to brawl, they'll move in. In this respect, BJJ, wrestling and judo are more effective on the street than in MMA, because the natural human tendency is to close the distance, and so going to the clinch is actually easier on the street than in MMA.
You have to get a hold of him and take him to the floor all the while making sure he doesn't spin you into something and hurt yourself on the way down.
Again, takedowns are pretty easy, even for the incompetent.
The reality is, if you can get the clinch and want a fight to go to the ground, you can make it go to the ground. The reason why people assume this is hard is because they don't want to go to the ground, they want to be on top.
That's hard. Scoring a takedown is tough, but even in MMA it's clear that a good jiu-jitsu fighter can force a great wrestler to the mat if he doesn't mind working off of his back. Hell, a good jiu-jitsu fighter who can get to the clinch can instantly destroy his opponent's posture.
Vinny vs. Kryzstof on TUF 8 is one of the best examples of this I've ever seen.
Now your on the ground vulnerable to everyone around you, a small girl could easily KO you with a soccer kick to the head. A kick you would probably never see coming and you have no vision of your surroundings.
Now, I'm going to ignore the exaggeration and point out that, if a fight goes to the ground on the street, it's going to be over quickly.
Groundnpound in the cage and groundnpound on the street are two different things. If you are looking to groundnpound n the street, the fight should last little more than ten seconds. Ideally, that's time enough to make yourself aware of any small girls in the area.
Now you have to avoid getting your eyes/throat/groin attacked which would be very easy for the guy on the ground since you are right on top of him and easily within reach all the while setting up a submission.
Go back and watch the old vale tudo and early UFC videos.
Groin strikes were legal. Throat strikes were legal.
How come nobody hit Royce Gracie in the groin? Or the throat?
Because controlling the body of someone who doesn't understand jiu-jitsu is a cakewalk on the ground. Chokes and eye gouges make for easy armbars. Groin strikes expose the face for punching and the collar or neck for choking.
Is there risk of potential pain? Sure. But he's going to be unconscious or unable to lift his arm in a second. So who cares?
And now one guy is incapacitated, and you scramble to your feet so you can defend yourself from any other possible threats. That is a lot of risk even if your fast, way more risk than I would take unless I was absolutely forced to.
Again, I don't recommend actively taking a street fight to the ground, but if you're on the ground, you're going to end up returning to your feet anyway.
Actually, jiu-jitsu fighters are generally better at getting to their feet then most people, given that they spend a lot of time getting up off of the mat. On top of that, though, there are ways to protect your face, head, ribs and spine in returning to your feet, and those are things basic jiu-jitsu fighters (at least where I train) learn early on.