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Old 10-26-2006, 09:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I would agree with Mr. Yeti here. Your first concern would be to get out of that situation. The only bright side of this is that you do have options...



Option #1: The "Upa" or Bridge Escape
This is the basic bridge escape from the bottom. This is also what all your other options will be built off of. This is your first go to move; as if it is thwarted you should be able to create a little wiggle room to go to the other options that will be listed below. Here's the Upa in steps:
1) Choose a side that you will bridge to. This will determine what direction you will bridge to, and what side of your opponent you will try to control. For illustration purposes, we'll say you’re going to bridge to your right (but this can be done-and should be drilled-off of your left side also).
2) Take control of your opponent’s left arm by securing your right hand on his left triceps, and your left hand on his left wrist. You can do this by also securing both his arms by grabbing at both his wrists, but the 2-on-1 control is a lot better.
3) Move your right foot up and outside your opponent’s left foot, blocking his left leg high and tight to yours. While you do this, bring your left foot up to your buttocks (you will be using your left leg as the primary leg to push off of, and if it is stretched away from your body and flat on floor it will have no power). When you are at this point, you will have isolated any movement on his left side which allows the sweep to happen.
4) Drag his left arm across and down your body. When you do this, gravity will work in you favor and bring his left side down toward the floor toward his shoulder.
5) While you are dragging your opponent’s arm across your body, bridge up hard using your left leg. You want to execute a full, explosive bridge from your toes all the way up to the top of your head. Also you do not want to just bridge up, neither do you want to just bridge up and turn to your right. What you want to do is bridge up and over your own right shoulder.
6) This should get your opponent rolling off of you over his own left shoulder. Continue over with the momentum until you end up on top in your opponent’s guard. Congratulations—you are now out of your opponent’s mount!

A few things to keep in mind:
  • First and foremost: DO NOT PANIC. Yeah, being caught in the mount sucks. However, if you panic and start flailing and twisting and turning, not only are you burning yourself out, but you are also making yourself bait for all sorts of nasty submission holds. So keep calm and thinking. Remember that you have options to get out.
  • Do not just bridge up and directly to your right. If you do that, your opponent can stop the Upa by wiggling his left leg free and posting it out. I will post later on what to do if he does that, but I digress… You want to bridge out at a 45 degree angle over your right shoulder. Think of it this way: If you were laying down on a clock face with your head at 12 and your feet at 6, you will be bridging more in the direction of 10 or 11 o’clock. This way if your opponent still posts out their leg, you still have the chance of pulling them over because they can’t use their arm to stop the roll and the direction of the roll is actually going away from their leg.
  • When you complete the roll, post your arms out and establish a base. If you don’t, your opponent can continue rolling with the momentum you’ve created and end up right on top of you. This time, not only are you mounted, but you’ve just spent a lot of energy trying to get out, only to fail.

I'll address the Elbow escape (from which all your sobmission options will start) a little later. But I think this will help.
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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As promised, I have other option that can be used by budding grapplers caught in the not-so-envious position of being on the bottom of the full mount. We covered the “Upa” in a previous post; now let us build on that with the Elbow Escape.

Option #2: The Elbow or Hip Escape
The elbow escape is a technique to better your position on the bottom. Whereas the Upa is a basic sweep that will get you on top of your opponent in their guard, the Elbow Escape allows you the option to pull guard from the bottom. While this does not fully remove you from the dangers of a full-on mounted assault, it does put you in a better position to defend, sweep or submit your opponent. While this is its own technique, the Elbow escape is best used in conjunction with the Upa. If one does not work, transition to the other, and if that does not work, transition back to previous technique. Further, once you know the elbow escape you can build on it to attack your opponent with submission holds (mostly ankle locks or heel hooks) which is always nice. I will go into how to do the escape starting from your right side. As noted with the Upa above, this technique can be executed-and should be drilled-off of both sides.

Instructional Vid here.

To execute the Elbow escape:
1) While in the mount position, keep you arms low and tight to you body. Your elbows should be on the ground directly at your sides, and your hands up at your neck. This way, your arms are not freely away from your body asking to be arm locked, and your hands are up ready to defend any attacks made on your neck or collar. Bring your feet up to your buttocks to provide power for the bridge you will execute (next).
2) While your opponent is on top of you, bridge hard and high toward your head to upset their balance. You want to bridge as explosively as possible. This should pitch their body forward where they must post out with both arms to stop them from falling. This will create the needed space to begin the escape.
3) Using your right elbow, check your opponent’s left knee and begin pushing it away from your body. While you do this, roll onto your right side.
4) While creating the space away from your opponent, scoot your hips out to your left, while bringing your right knee through the gap between your body and your opponent’s leg. You will do this by bending at your waist while bring you knee up the gap you have created (just like the picture below).

5) Once your right leg clears the gap, swing it around the outside of your opponent’s leg and hook it to secure half-guard. Roll left to return flat on your back.
6) Now check your opponent’s right leg with your left elbow, and repeat the last 3 steps with your left side. Congratulations! You have escaped the mount and now have full guard.

Alternatively you can start the Upa, and if your opponent frees their left leg and posts it out to stop you from sweeping them check their left leg at the knee with your right elbow or right hand (depending on how far you have to reach), and begin the elbow escape from their. In that situation, when your opponent posts their leg out they have done you the favor of creating space to move for you.

Things to keep in mind while doing the elbow escape:
  • It is possible to go straight into the elbow escape without bridging. However, I find it a lot harder to do for the fact that your opponent is still flat on top of you with all their weight. Further, this makes it harder to actually shrimp your body/scoot your hips out one way or the other because: 1) there is no space between you and your opponent and 2) you have to be concerned with having to move your opponent’s body and weight around with you also. That in itself is a prescription for strained abdominal and core muscles. When you bridge, you cause your opponent to post out with their arms to keep on top, on all fours (like in the instructional vid).
  • When you check your opponent’s leg and push it away from you, do not push it straight up into the air. Rather you want to push it out and down to ward their feet. This makes it so that you don’t have to bring your own knee completely up to your chest to pass their leg. Further, if you simply push their leg up you may end up actually help them by making it easier for them to bring their leg up and around your neck so they can put you in either a mounted triangle armbar, or mounted triangle choke. I speak from personal experience when I say that you don’t want to be caught in either!
  • If you need a little more “umph” to create the needed space, you can use your free/left arm to push off of your opponent’s midsection, or the inside of their upper thigh on their left leg. Just don’t push off their chest, as you will end up being caught in an an armbar.
When I have time, I'll post out how to transition the Elbow Escape into an Ankle Lock or Heel Hook. Stay tuned!
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Heel Hook or Ankle Lock from the Bottom Mount

Okay, I've posted 2 escapes from the Bottom Mount that are definitely the building blocks for all your movements when you find yourself caught and you want a way out. But as the original poster asked, is there a way to attack from this position? Yes there is. If you adjust the movements of the Elbow Escape, you actually open up your opponent to a Ankle Lock or Heel Hook opportunity. We’ll look at that possibility, considering that you are attacking off of your right side (you are then attacking your opponent’s left leg). As before, this can also (and should) be drilled on your left side.

Option #3: Ankle Lock/Heel Hook from Bottom Mount

1) Just like the Upa and Elbow Escape, you want your arms tight to your sides, with your hands up to protect your neck. Slide your feet up to your buttocks to load up on your bridge.
2) Bridge up hard to pitch your opponent’s balance forward. This will cause them to post out to prevent from falling forward, which will also create space for you.
3) As you bridge up, post both your hands on your opponent’s hips and pop him up into the air. You want to do this as you are bridging, not afterwards. This will create a lot of lift on your opponent. You want this lift to allow you to do the following…
4) At the height of the lift, drop down from the bridge and bring your left knee up through the gap between you and your opponent. At the same time, bring your right leg up and over and place your right foot against their hip/lower ribs.
5) Push off your opponent with your right foot, while turning to your left. This will cause them to fall to your left side (their right side), with their left leg at your right. While falling, secure their left leg with your right arm, making sure that their foot is in your armpit (this is actually very easy).
6) As your opponent hits the floor, squeeze your knees together and secure their left foot in either an Ankle Lock or Heel Hook.

An instructional vid of the above technique can be seen here. Erik Paulsen shows a heel hook from bottom mount just as I described it above, and even shows variants on the finishing hold.

As stated before, if you start out with the Upa and your opponent foils that by posting out their leg, you can transition to the Elbow Escape. However as an option off of that, if the opponent posts out their leg to stop the Upa, that will be the most available leg for you to attack. They’ve already created a space for you to move, and the are already posting a leg out in isolation just asking to be hooked.

Things to keep in mind:
  • So what to go with: Ankle Lock or Heel Hook? If your opponent reacts by trying to sit up into you after you sweep, keep twisting to your left and go for the Ankle Lock. If the opponent reacts by trying to get up or away from you while pulling the leg out, go for the Heel Hook.
  • When you post your right foot on the opponent’s hip/rib, you are using that to keep them from sitting up and crowding your submission hold. You don’t want to push the opponent up from you; rather you want to push them away and to the side.
  • When posting the foot on the opponent’s hip/rib, make sure you don’t drape it across their body. Doing so opens you up to a counter hold, which is must easier for the top guy to finish.
  • Do not lie straight back when you try to finish the hold. You will run out of room to do so. When you roll to your side to finish the hold you end up dropping them right on top of their right leg, making it harder to get up. You also end up with a lot of bridging room to finish the hold, whether it is the Ankle Lock or Heel Hook.
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Grappling Technique Instructionals

Hello All...

I've stickied quite a few specific threads in the Standup Techniques part of the forum with a few in-depth instructionals. I'm going to use this thread here to merge a few instructionals that I've posted throughout this side of the Forum. We can use this to post instructionals on any specific technique, or answer any questions on specific positions or what not.

Feel free to contribute. That's what this forum is for, correct?

Oh, BTW... If you happen to have pictures or video (even just links to such stuff) that always helps to. I'm a firm believer in "show and tell." Thankfully this funny thing called the internet makes that very possible.

The above posts are from the question that was posed in this thread Here which asked for options if you are caught on the bottom side of your opponent's mount.
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Shrimping?

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As promised, I have other option that can be used by budding grapplers caught in the not-so-envious position of being on the bottom of the full mount. We covered the “Upa” in a previous post; now let us build on that with the Elbow Escape.

Option #2: The Elbow or Hip Escape
The elbow escape is a technique to better your position on the bottom. Whereas the Upa is a basic sweep that will get you on top of your opponent in their guard, the Elbow Escape allows you the option to pull guard from the bottom. While this does not fully remove you from the dangers of a full-on mounted assault, it does put you in a better position to defend, sweep or submit your opponent. While this is its own technique, the Elbow escape is best used in conjunction with the Upa. If one does not work, transition to the other, and if that does not work, transition back to previous technique. Further, once you know the elbow escape you can build on it to attack your opponent with submission holds (mostly ankle locks or heel hooks) which is always nice. I will go into how to do the escape starting from your right side. As noted with the Upa above, this technique can be executed-and should be drilled-off of both sides.

Instructional Vid here.

To execute the Elbow escape:
1) While in the mount position, keep you arms low and tight to you body. Your elbows should be on the ground directly at your sides, and your hands up at your neck. This way, your arms are not freely away from your body asking to be arm locked, and your hands are up ready to defend any attacks made on your neck or collar. Bring your feet up to your buttocks to provide power for the bridge you will execute (next).
2) While your opponent is on top of you, bridge hard and high toward your head to upset their balance. You want to bridge as explosively as possible. This should pitch their body forward where they must post out with both arms to stop them from falling. This will create the needed space to begin the escape.
3) Using your right elbow, check your opponent’s left knee and begin pushing it away from your body. While you do this, roll onto your right side.
4) While creating the space away from your opponent, scoot your hips out to your left, while bringing your right knee through the gap between your body and your opponent’s leg. You will do this by bending at your waist while bring you knee up the gap you have created (just like the picture below).

5) Once your right leg clears the gap, swing it around the outside of your opponent’s leg and hook it to secure half-guard. Roll left to return flat on your back.
6) Now check your opponent’s right leg with your left elbow, and repeat the last 3 steps with your left side. Congratulations! You have escaped the mount and now have full guard.

Alternatively you can start the Upa, and if your opponent frees their left leg and posts it out to stop you from sweeping them check their left leg at the knee with your right elbow or right hand (depending on how far you have to reach), and begin the elbow escape from their. In that situation, when your opponent posts their leg out they have done you the favor of creating space to move for you.

Things to keep in mind while doing the elbow escape:
  • It is possible to go straight into the elbow escape without bridging. However, I find it a lot harder to do for the fact that your opponent is still flat on top of you with all their weight. Further, this makes it harder to actually shrimp your body/scoot your hips out one way or the other because: 1) there is no space between you and your opponent and 2) you have to be concerned with having to move your opponent’s body and weight around with you also. That in itself is a prescription for strained abdominal and core muscles. When you bridge, you cause your opponent to post out with their arms to keep on top, on all fours (like in the instructional vid).
  • When you check your opponent’s leg and push it away from you, do not push it straight up into the air. Rather you want to push it out and down to ward their feet. This makes it so that you don’t have to bring your own knee completely up to your chest to pass their leg. Further, if you simply push their leg up you may end up actually help them by making it easier for them to bring their leg up and around your neck so they can put you in either a mounted triangle armbar, or mounted triangle choke. I speak from personal experience when I say that you don’t want to be caught in either!
  • If you need a little more “umph” to create the needed space, you can use your free/left arm to push off of your opponent’s midsection, or the inside of their upper thigh on their left leg. Just don’t push off their chest, as you will end up being caught in an an armbar.
When I have time, I'll post out how to transition the Elbow Escape into an Ankle Lock or Heel Hook. Stay tuned!

This sounds like...bridging to create space, then shrimping out to attain a guard. I like the tip about continuously alternating between this and the upa, until you get free. I've noticed that I space my attempts too far apart.
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It's almost the same. The "shrimping" motion is really the action of bringing your chest and knees together while sliding your hips out in one direction of the other. The "Elbow Escape" definitely depends on the Shrimping motion. In fact, you use the shrimping motion to escape out of a rear naked if your opponent is on your back and underneath you. After you shake a hook, you crab-walk over the loose leg to pin it down, shrimp out to the side while turning into them and you should land in half-guard or side mount.

Have you ever seen reverse shrimping? You can take a look at it in this vid here at 1 minute and 26 seconds in (it's insane). These guys have awesome body control on the ground.
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It's almost the same. The "shrimping" motion is really the action of bringing your chest and knees together while sliding your hips out in one direction of the other. The "Elbow Escape" definitely depends on the Shrimping motion. In fact, you use the shrimping motion to escape out of a rear naked if your opponent is on your back and underneath you. After you shake a hook, you crab-walk over the loose leg to pin it down, shrimp out to the side while turning into them and you should land in half-guard or side mount.

Have you ever seen reverse shrimping? You can take a look at it in this vid here at 1 minute and 26 seconds in (it's insane). These guys have awesome body control on the ground.
The video isn't workin for me. It loads a blank page. Though, my comp has been actin funny lately, in general.

Anyway, I had actually learned that method out of the RNC only a couple of weeks ago. and accordingly, my fear of that choke is somewhat diminished. Though, with that choke more than any other, I find it difficult to keep my cool. So, despite knowing how to get out of it, I sometimes freeze up for a couple of seconds before removing a hook. thankfully, I've got a very short neck, so when I drop my chin I'm safe. =P
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The video isn't workin for me. It loads a blank page. Though, my comp has been actin funny lately, in general.

Anyway, I had actually learned that method out of the RNC only a couple of weeks ago. and accordingly, my fear of that choke is somewhat diminished. Though, with that choke more than any other, I find it difficult to keep my cool. So, despite knowing how to get out of it, I sometimes freeze up for a couple of seconds before removing a hook. thankfully, I've got a very short neck, so when I drop my chin I'm safe. =P
Here's the same vid on YouTube: YouTube - Judo Promo Video

I understand about the RNC. I hate thinking about having a good grappler on my back, because there is sooo many other things they can do besides the RNC that I wouldn't want to be caught in. But since the RNC is the hold of choice for the majority of grapplers, it just makes sense to drill with someone on your back over and over and over.

I remember when me and my buddies were rolling with a BJJ Black Belt a few years back. We asked him, okay... We're new, so what should we start with? The first 2 things he went to right away was how to work the armbar (and escape it), and how to work the RNC. We always spent a few minutes in each session drilling how to work with those two submissions. As such, when I roll with some of my buddies now, if I know they aren't good with finishing the RNC I don't mind letting them take my back. I helps me stay sharp on how to beat it.
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Here is the vid for the UPA from the same site that Onganju referred to us:

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thanks for these.. everybody seems to always forget the basics, but they are of utmost importance...

and that was a good judo promotional vid....

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