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Old 10-29-2009, 02:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's not really about being wrong or right to me. It's about helping people to better understand BJJ and grappling arts. I can completely understand where you are coming from because I was once in the same situation.

BJJ is a really odd art because it's really hard to understand how effective it is against someone who doesn't know it until you actually try it with someone who's pretty good at it. I would suggest finding a legit gym and go in there and roll with a good mid level/high level blue at least and you will see that BJJ is pretty darn effective and gives you the ability to toss people around and manipulate their base to gain dominant positions, secure submission holds, and beat them to death.

I see it all the time though, people come in and say "it doesn't look that hard" until they get on the mat the first time...then the immediate response is "this shit is hard!!". Just like that body builder I've been giving lessons too. He came in the first time and had it in his mind that I couldn't do anything to him because he was so much bigger and stronger than me that he would simply outpower me. He got a rude awakening and got tapped about 20-30 times in just a few minutes. He was so impressed at how effective it was that he signed up for private lessons two times a week for about a month now.
A bodybuilder doing BJJ? that's frightening
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Great discussion. I'd like to expand it. Since it sounds like you guys have been doing this longer than I have, what's your take on BJJ or other grappling arts in a street fight situation with the potential of multiple opponents?
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Great discussion. I'd like to expand it. Since it sounds like you guys have been doing this longer than I have, what's your take on BJJ or other grappling arts in a street fight situation with the potential of multiple opponents?
Well, I've heard this many times and honestly it's the main question posed about BJJ more often than not. I'll try to answer it as best I can.

I have been training in BJJ, Judo, wrestling, etc. for a while and I teach BJJ. When someone comes to me and asks "what's the best thing I can do when being attacked my multiple attackers?" I tell them the same thing "talk your way out of the situation or run". I've also trained in Muay-Thai kickboxing for over 7 years and I would give the same advice to someone who asked in regards to Muay-Thai.

The bottom line is when there are multiple attackers all bets are off. They don't want a fair fight so the best thing you can do is get the hell out of there because they'll likely do anything they can to win.

Now if you have no choice whatsoever and you are forced to fight multiple guys I would not personally bring the fight to the ground. I would try and keep it standing and look for a quick "out". Given the situation if the fight was forced to the ground I would try to end the first guys fight quickly with a very quick and devestating sub that would break an arm or leg, which might help to discourage the other guy...at the very least it would give you time to get back to your feet. I would only look for top position, which would give me an easy way to get back up. If I got stuck holding guard I would try to use the guy in my guard as a shield as best I could against the strikes of the other guy...if you have a descent guard it's not hard to move someone's body and use it as a shield.

There are things you can do and you can make BJJ effective on the streets without doubt. When you start talking about multiple attackers no matter what style of martial art you do there isn't much guarantee.

One thing that I can add that is great about BJJ is that if you don't want to fight on the ground like in this given situation, you won't find many guys that are better at getting up than grapplers. Most grapplers spend so much time on the mat that they get really good at getting back to their feet...especially wrestlers and Judo guys.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Not as scary as you would think. I was kinda of wondering how it would work at first because he's not one of those "big for nothing" guys...he really is strong as all hell. He's also the most unflexible person I have ever trained with. It's basically like rolling with a 2x4. He can't move real good because of his muscle mass which actually makes it much easier than you would think.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Well, I've heard this many times and honestly it's the main question posed about BJJ more often than not. I'll try to answer it as best I can.

I have been training in BJJ, Judo, wrestling, etc. for a while and I teach BJJ. When someone comes to me and asks "what's the best thing I can do when being attacked my multiple attackers?" I tell them the same thing "talk your way out of the situation or run". I've also trained in Muay-Thai kickboxing for over 7 years and I would give the same advice to someone who asked in regards to Muay-Thai.

The bottom line is when there are multiple attackers all bets are off. They don't want a fair fight so the best thing you can do is get the hell out of there because they'll likely do anything they can to win.

Now if you have no choice whatsoever and you are forced to fight multiple guys I would not personally bring the fight to the ground. I would try and keep it standing and look for a quick "out". Given the situation if the fight was forced to the ground I would try to end the first guys fight quickly with a very quick and devestating sub that would break an arm or leg, which might help to discourage the other guy...at the very least it would give you time to get back to your feet. I would only look for top position, which would give me an easy way to get back up. If I got stuck holding guard I would try to use the guy in my guard as a shield as best I could against the strikes of the other guy...if you have a descent guard it's not hard to move someone's body and use it as a shield.

There are things you can do and you can make BJJ effective on the streets without doubt. When you start talking about multiple attackers no matter what style of martial art you do there isn't much guarantee.

One thing that I can add that is great about BJJ is that if you don't want to fight on the ground like in this given situation, you won't find many guys that are better at getting up than grapplers. Most grapplers spend so much time on the mat that they get really good at getting back to their feet...especially wrestlers and Judo guys.
Pretty much what I thought and have heard in the past. Thanks for the post.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I've you could line your opponents up if faced with multiple attackers, and or go for the alpha male. Every move you use against them has to knock them down. I could see a 6'4 heavyweight boxer knocking 2 or 3 guys out.

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Not as scary as you would think. I was kinda of wondering how it would work at first because he's not one of those "big for nothing" guys...he really is strong as all hell. He's also the most unflexible person I have ever trained with. It's basically like rolling with a 2x4. He can't move real good because of his muscle mass which actually makes it much easier than you would think.
I see what you mean sir. Just imagine when he develops on flexibilty, he will be even stronger.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:58 AM   #17 (permalink)
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The best thing to do is just to walk away. Most people who get in fights are stupid reasons anyways. And if the reason your doing BJJ/grappling is for street fights your in it for the wrong reason.
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The best thing to do is just to walk away. Most people who get in fights are stupid reasons anyways. And if the reason your doing BJJ/grappling is for street fights your in it for the wrong reason.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I honestly don't see how someone who trains as hard as I know I do can just go and start a fight with someone. I leave it all on the mat so I'm not concerned about starting street fights.

Just for example we were out at a club this weekend. One of the bouncers there called my wife a name thinking I couldn't hear him I guess. I could have walked over there and just started beating his ass sure, but I didn't. I walked over there and told him I heard what he said and that all I wanted was for him to go and apologize to my wife, otherwise I was gonna have to bring him out in the street and beat that ass. He went and apologized to my wife and when the cab came pick us up he even came out and opened the door for her.
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Exactly. Like with me i would rather try and settle something verbally then physically. I mean if you train non stop like I do. About 5 times a week and then running on sundays you know you can physically beat someone up. Like it would be easy. But i mean think about something before you do it.
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