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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-01-2009, 11:24 PM
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i carry a gun that solves all the problems

however if you were to use bjj against your average joe on the street you should be able to use your takedowns and control them pretty easily and sub them quickly.

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post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-02-2009, 12:34 AM Thread Starter
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No... I'm gonna go with the gun thing with you.
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post #13 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-02-2009, 09:30 AM
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Some BJJ guys like to work off the back in their guard and some like to work from the top. I'm the latter of the two and prefer working from the top. I'm pretty descent at takedowns and would have no problem taking down the average guy or even the pretty good guy. In the gym doing BJJ I would go for the sub...on the street I'm going to use my striking with good positioning and pound them into the dirt and then maybe work a sub on them.

People who actually do BJJ understand how effective it can be on the street. Learn how to position yourself and hold position and you can be devistating with it.

Not to mention BJJ does have strikes in it, it was started with strikes, but most schools have left that out and went more with the sport aspect of the game. I personally do about half and half with striking. I do a lot of matches where me and my opponent throw light strikes back and forth just to keep them in mind.
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yeah you can punish people ! break his arms, legs, crush his throat.
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post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-04-2009, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ninjadude View Post
Whats the point of getting him to give up, if in the process I basically loose the damage game?... Do I really come on top?

Same goes for MMA, who gets damaged the most?
Firstly, I don't want to punish my opponent in a streetfight. I want to put him to sleep so I can enjoy my night without dealing with the police.

But, frankly, if I wanted to hurt my opponent in a streetfight, it'd be way easier to do with jiu-jitsu.

You can break and arm, or a leg, dislocate his shoulder. It's about precision and control, which are great, I guess, if you're a Class A sadist. I'm not, so I use jiu-jitsu for other reasons.

I know that judokas and wrestlers work from the top. I beleive that this approach is much better.
There's this delusion that BJJ is just the guard game. This is just wrong.

BJJ guys work from the top all the time. Roger Gracie, at Mundials, finished every opponent from the mount with a collar choke. He worked from top position, advanced to the best position, then choked his opponent out.

The reason you see jiu-jitsu guys on their back in MMA is because they get put their by wrestlers. If you're on your back, you're going to take some punishment. Get over it. Take the arm or the choke and sink it.

But, if you're about punishment, maybe you're going to work some ground and pound. That's fine. As far as reliability, though, straight groundnpound fighters get submitted all the time without exercising jiu-jitsu tactics. Guys like Nogueira feed off of that mindset.

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post #16 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-13-2009, 02:38 PM
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It's like thinking that a boxer would get into boxing stance and jump around like he does in class or in the ring

When you don't know what to do on the ground and someone who know is on top of you - it's just becomes a world of pain even without submissions. IMO you can exhaust the living shit out of yourself in like 10 seconds just trying to do something (and since you don;t know what to do you just waist energy on nothing). First time i tried rolling, i went really hard like battled to the end, almost passed out and hyperventilated for 15 minutes LOL

Need to keep your mind open and remember that beside subs, you can still punch-elbow and cause general pain (like putting knee on the stomach,chest, head, neck)

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post #17 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-14-2009, 06:09 PM
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A swift kick to the crotch is a pretty quick way to cause some pain and damage to some one if your really trying to hurt them.

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