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Ninjadude 11-01-2009 03:02 PM

Can you really punish your enemy with BBJ?
 
I see it all the time in MMA, jiujitsu guys getting smashed on there backs. Usually they seem to wait for the opportunity for a submission, but in the process they get hammered and bloodied up! Sometimes they get hammered a whole round like this, even more...

Now I don't know about you guys, but in a street fight, I dont want to give anything to my opponent. I want to make him bleed... I want to punish him. Whats the point of getting him to give up, if in the process I basically loose the damage game?... Do I really come on top?

Same goes for MMA, who gets damaged the most? Thats important.

I know that judokas and wrestlers work from the top. I beleive that this approach is much better.

Chileandude 11-01-2009 04:18 PM

BJJ guys work from the top too, its just that on MMA they can't get wrestlers down.

A BJJ guy has enough takedown expertise to take down your average Joe and pound him/sub him from top.

HexRei 11-01-2009 04:39 PM

no, but i one punished i guy with his BVD's, it was epic wedgie. also I once punished a guy with BBD, I made him listen to them for three days straight.

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Originally Posted by Ninjadude (Post 1033044)
I see it all the time in MMA, jiujitsu guys getting smashed on there backs. Usually they seem to wait for the opportunity for a submission, but in the process they get hammered and bloodied up! Sometimes they get hammered a whole round like this, even more...

Now I don't know about you guys, but in a street fight, I dont want to give anything to my opponent. I want to make him bleed... I want to punish him. Whats the point of getting him to give up, if in the process I basically loose the damage game?... Do I really come on top?

Same goes for MMA, who gets damaged the most? Thats important.

I know that judokas and wrestlers work from the top. I beleive that this approach is much better.

On a more serious note, you aren't just "making him give up" when you tap a guy. Unless you are fighting a true puss, they are tapping because they are danger of having a joint broken or being choked unconscious. It's basically an admission that you could end the fight now if you chose.

In a street fight, there would be no tap and once you broke his arm, ripped his shoulder or knee apart, or choked him unconscious, you could inflict a lot more damage pretty much at your whim. Doesn't sound like you'd be giving anything to him imho.

name goes here 11-01-2009 05:29 PM

When people wear clothes, submissions happen a lot quicker. BJJ is good on the street. Though multiple opponents is obv a prob.

HexRei 11-01-2009 05:37 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't use BJJ in a streetfight unless I had to (like someone took me down), I'd want to keep it on the feet. Mobility is key when there are no rules and any bystander could turn out to be someone looking for the right moment to clock you in the back of the head.

Ninjadude 11-01-2009 06:20 PM

ok
 
Well people, I have practiced jiujitsu myself. And I sure know the effectiveness of chokes and submissions.

The techniques are effective, but in a certain context. For example jiujitsu with a gi or without a gi, or jiujitsu for MMA or for treet fighting.

Its not the techniques temselves, but more the strategies and the context in which the art is practiced that are the problem. Jiujitsu is not made to cope with strikes, thats the bottom line.

Thats why MMA and jiujitsu are two different things. When you are alowed to hit, everything changes. You can't work from the bottom anymore... If you do, you just give your opponent an easy target.

HexRei 11-01-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjadude (Post 1033175)
Jiujitsu is not made to cope with strikes, thats the bottom line.

Thats why MMA and jiujitsu are two different things. When you are alowed to hit, everything changes. You can't work from the bottom anymore... If you do, you just give your opponent an easy target.

Catching/deflecting punches, wrist/bicep control, head movement, and an active guard are all concepts used in BJJ to cope with strikes. And a skilled BJJ player can definitely finish a fight from the bottom despite strikes. A great example of a top-tier striker using BJJ to finish a fight from the bottom is Silva vs Lutter.

In the cage, anyway. Like I said it's not a great idea in the street but that has more to do with the lack of rules (eyegouging can really ruin your day) and the possibility of his homies ganging up on you while you're down.

CornbreadBB 11-01-2009 06:32 PM

In my experience, Brazilian blow jobs only really thank the enemy, n ot punish them....

Ninjadude 11-01-2009 07:01 PM

gang
 
Yeah, BJJ against multiple attackers is a bitch.

jcal 11-01-2009 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjadude (Post 1033195)
Yeah, BJJ against multiple attackers is a bitch.

I would think any hand to hand combat with more than one person would be a bitch.lol Anyway if I was not getting the better of the standup part of the fight I wouldnt hesitate to shoot in and take someone to the ground get and secure the mount and punch and elbow my attackers face until he rolls over and gives up his back where I can finish the fight a gazillion ways> So my answer to your question is yes bjj is a real good style to use for a fight. In my experience just about every fight hits the ground. If im connecting on him with my kickboxing and hes getting the worst of it, he most likely will bullrush you and try to take you down and vise versa. And im not just saying this, ive experienced it. Ive had a few streetfights in my life. And I havent won them all either, but I havent lost one since ive learned submission wrestling. So im 5-1 and hopefully thats the end of it


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