I see it all the time in MMA, jiujitsu guys getting smashed on there backs. Usually they seem to wait for the opportunity for a submission, but in the process they get hammered and bloodied up! Sometimes they get hammered a whole round like this, even more...
Now I don't know about you guys, but in a street fight, I dont want to give anything to my opponent. I want to make him bleed... I want to punish him. Whats the point of getting him to give up, if in the process I basically loose the damage game?... Do I really come on top?
Same goes for MMA, who gets damaged the most? Thats important.
I know that judokas and wrestlers work from the top. I beleive that this approach is much better.
no, but i one punished i guy with his BVD's, it was epic wedgie. also I once punished a guy with BBD, I made him listen to them for three days straight.
On a more serious note, you aren't just "making him give up" when you tap a guy. Unless you are fighting a true puss, they are tapping because they are danger of having a joint broken or being choked unconscious. It's basically an admission that you could end the fight now if you chose.
In a street fight, there would be no tap and once you broke his arm, ripped his shoulder or knee apart, or choked him unconscious, you could inflict a lot more damage pretty much at your whim. Doesn't sound like you'd be giving anything to him imho.
Yeah, I wouldn't use BJJ in a streetfight unless I had to (like someone took me down), I'd want to keep it on the feet. Mobility is key when there are no rules and any bystander could turn out to be someone looking for the right moment to clock you in the back of the head.
Well people, I have practiced jiujitsu myself. And I sure know the effectiveness of chokes and submissions.
The techniques are effective, but in a certain context. For example jiujitsu with a gi or without a gi, or jiujitsu for MMA or for treet fighting.
Its not the techniques temselves, but more the strategies and the context in which the art is practiced that are the problem. Jiujitsu is not made to cope with strikes, thats the bottom line.
Thats why MMA and jiujitsu are two different things. When you are alowed to hit, everything changes. You can't work from the bottom anymore... If you do, you just give your opponent an easy target.
Jiujitsu is not made to cope with strikes, thats the bottom line.
Thats why MMA and jiujitsu are two different things. When you are alowed to hit, everything changes. You can't work from the bottom anymore... If you do, you just give your opponent an easy target.
Catching/deflecting punches, wrist/bicep control, head movement, and an active guard are all concepts used in BJJ to cope with strikes. And a skilled BJJ player can definitely finish a fight from the bottom despite strikes. A great example of a top-tier striker using BJJ to finish a fight from the bottom is Silva vs Lutter.
In the cage, anyway. Like I said it's not a great idea in the street but that has more to do with the lack of rules (eyegouging can really ruin your day) and the possibility of his homies ganging up on you while you're down.
I would think any hand to hand combat with more than one person would be a bitch.lol Anyway if I was not getting the better of the standup part of the fight I wouldnt hesitate to shoot in and take someone to the ground get and secure the mount and punch and elbow my attackers face until he rolls over and gives up his back where I can finish the fight a gazillion ways> So my answer to your question is yes bjj is a real good style to use for a fight. In my experience just about every fight hits the ground. If im connecting on him with my kickboxing and hes getting the worst of it, he most likely will bullrush you and try to take you down and vise versa. And im not just saying this, ive experienced it. Ive had a few streetfights in my life. And I havent won them all either, but I havent lost one since ive learned submission wrestling. So im 5-1 and hopefully thats the end of it
however if you were to use bjj against your average joe on the street you should be able to use your takedowns and control them pretty easily and sub them quickly.
Some BJJ guys like to work off the back in their guard and some like to work from the top. I'm the latter of the two and prefer working from the top. I'm pretty descent at takedowns and would have no problem taking down the average guy or even the pretty good guy. In the gym doing BJJ I would go for the sub...on the street I'm going to use my striking with good positioning and pound them into the dirt and then maybe work a sub on them.
People who actually do BJJ understand how effective it can be on the street. Learn how to position yourself and hold position and you can be devistating with it.
Not to mention BJJ does have strikes in it, it was started with strikes, but most schools have left that out and went more with the sport aspect of the game. I personally do about half and half with striking. I do a lot of matches where me and my opponent throw light strikes back and forth just to keep them in mind.
Firstly, I don't want to punish my opponent in a streetfight. I want to put him to sleep so I can enjoy my night without dealing with the police.
But, frankly, if I wanted to hurt my opponent in a streetfight, it'd be way easier to do with jiu-jitsu.
You can break and arm, or a leg, dislocate his shoulder. It's about precision and control, which are great, I guess, if you're a Class A sadist. I'm not, so I use jiu-jitsu for other reasons.
I know that judokas and wrestlers work from the top. I beleive that this approach is much better.
There's this delusion that BJJ is just the guard game. This is just wrong.
BJJ guys work from the top all the time. Roger Gracie, at Mundials, finished every opponent from the mount with a collar choke. He worked from top position, advanced to the best position, then choked his opponent out.
The reason you see jiu-jitsu guys on their back in MMA is because they get put their by wrestlers. If you're on your back, you're going to take some punishment. Get over it. Take the arm or the choke and sink it.
But, if you're about punishment, maybe you're going to work some ground and pound. That's fine. As far as reliability, though, straight groundnpound fighters get submitted all the time without exercising jiu-jitsu tactics. Guys like Nogueira feed off of that mindset.
It's like thinking that a boxer would get into boxing stance and jump around like he does in class or in the ring
When you don't know what to do on the ground and someone who know is on top of you - it's just becomes a world of pain even without submissions. IMO you can exhaust the living shit out of yourself in like 10 seconds just trying to do something (and since you don;t know what to do you just waist energy on nothing). First time i tried rolling, i went really hard like battled to the end, almost passed out and hyperventilated for 15 minutes LOL
Need to keep your mind open and remember that beside subs, you can still punch-elbow and cause general pain (like putting knee on the stomach,chest, head, neck)
A swift kick to the crotch is a pretty quick way to cause some pain and damage to some one if your really trying to hurt them.
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