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post #21 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-25-2008, 12:11 PM
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Since i don't know much about belts, please can someone explain it to me: how do you gain your belts in BJJ and what does it take to get one?
You gain your belt in Bjj usually when your instructor sees fit. Some schools have tests to become a blue belt or a purple belt, here's an example:
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It obviously gets more difficult once you get past a blue belt, and gaining a purple, brown, black,etc are for a multitude of reasons, such as how much mat time you hvae, your ability to roll with higher belts, competition experience, etc. I would say very generally speaking if you practice Bjj 2-3 times a week here's what the belt system will look like:
8 months - 1 year: blue belt
2 - 3 years: purple belt
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Can i just ask why its gonna be a bjj TKD and mma style dojo... instead of tkw i think it should be muay thai...just a humble opinion
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b/c his Friend Knows TKD.
TKD is good in mma if you can use it, but it's hard.. i use my TKD a lot in my fights and i work hard to adapt it
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b/c his Friend Knows TKD.
TKD is good in mma if you can use it, but it's hard.. i use my TKD a lot in my fights and i work hard to adapt it
Let me say this about TKD and the problems with bringing it into MMA.

I've fought a half dozen TKD blackbelts in MMA/pankration/NHB competition, and there are alot of reasons why TKD is a waste of time in training for MMA.

The first is that they focus so much on point sparring that as hard as they hit me, they can never do any serious damage. A great boxer (like Olympic Gold Medalist Andre Ward, who I've worked with a few times) hits quick and hard, but TKD guys lack the input from their hips that allows them to do alot of the serious damage that a boxer can do with their hands and that a kickboxer/muay thai fighter can do with their feet and shins and knees.

It marginally increases their speed, which matters alot for point-sparring competition, but it doesn't matter at all in MMA. Landing one good shot that puts an opponent to sleep is much, much better than landing a couple dozen that do next to nothing (except, they tend to make your opponent angry and give them a great chance to close distance and take the fight to the ground).

The obvious one (as we've seen from guys like Danny Abbadi) is that they have no ground game. Even with guys in as extreme a martial art as Kajukembo (and Grandmast Gaylord is a genuis, despite his funny name), if you don't teach submission skills, you're going to get tapped out.

The only TKD guy who's ever given me a problem is a guy from Pitt's Martial Arts acadamy, and his instructor holds blackbelts in 5 martial arts, one of which is JJJ (which he teaches out of his school). The rest all struggled to hurt me and they all failed to put up much of a fight on the ground.

If you're going to learn a martial art, I also suggest going into something that has a background more focussed on self defense, or at least full contact competition. I tend to frown on any style that uses point sparring as a means of judging the capacity of competitors, as it's not really an accurate meter for judging anything.

I also feel that blackbelts in TKD (and many karate styles) are given out way to easily, but that's just coming from my background as a GJJ guy, where getting a blackbelt is a mark of serious mastery and getting a purple belt is considered a serious achievement.



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Ironman, I 100% agree dude. I really don't like TKD for MMA at all. The lack of hip power and using shins really puts me off it. That being said, there's no reason we cant teach TKD, MMA and BJJ at the same Dojo (allows more flexable scheduels and days off). Our MMA class will focus more on MT and just the way striking works in MMA (it's really developed into it's own thing) and we will encorperate BJJ, Hapkido and Wrestling into the mix.




One other thing to add to the post, I finally got a hold of him about a week ago.

he got his belt from Carlson Gracie when he used to live in Chicago. Forgot to act about his dad. He also verified the whole "theres only about 50 2nd degrees in the country" only he said there's probably more around 80.
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Ironman, I 100% agree dude. I really don't like TKD for MMA at all. The lack of hip power and using shins really puts me off it. That being said, there's no reason we cant teach TKD, MMA and BJJ at the same Dojo (allows more flexable scheduels and days off). Our MMA class will focus more on MT and just the way striking works in MMA (it's really developed into it's own thing) and we will encorperate BJJ, Hapkido and Wrestling into the mix.

One other thing to add to the post, I finally got a hold of him about a week ago.

he got his belt from Carlson Gracie when he used to live in Chicago. Forgot to act about his dad. He also verified the whole "theres only about 50 2nd degrees in the country" only he said there's probably more around 80.
That's good stuff. It's good to know where your lineage comes from.

Frankly, I have no problem with teaching TKD, MMA and BJJ at the same school. I have a problem with people seeing TKD as a serious fighting system that can be used in full contact competition.

I sort of see red when people talk about TKD blackbelts, as they make up some of the biggest smack talkers and worst competition I've ever had, so that's more of a personal greivance than anything. (I'll put it this way, I make a point of using lots and lots of neck cranks when I fight TKD guys)

My instructor is one of those 80 (he's actually a 3rd degree blackbelt) and a student of Royler Gracie.

I'm proud to say that getting a belt (even a blue belt) at my gym is harder then it is in most, becaue it shows the level of competition that we have on the mat and the bar that we hold students up to.



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you worked with Andre Ward? sweet I read a book on that guy.
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i like going to ground to fight anyways. My ground game is my strongest part of my game. plus i have put so much of my time and work really hard to get where i am at in TKD. so it's not like some places where they get Graded once every 2 weeks or so shit like that
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Some great points made in this thread, you should ALWAYS be able to trace your instructors BJJ lineage direstly to a Gracie, if not then I wouldn't suggest training there.

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Some great points made in this thread, you should ALWAYS be able to trace your instructors BJJ lineage direstly to a Gracie, if not then I wouldn't suggest training there.
umm...every bjj guys lineage is eventually going to get there.

but theres other acceptible things too, like the american bjj people in which jene lebelle is included, or if you get it through someone like sakuraba's group (lol but unlikely)

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