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post #31 of 37 (permalink) Old 03-13-2008, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SuzukS View Post
Some great points made in this thread, you should ALWAYS be able to trace your instructors BJJ lineage direstly to a Gracie, if not then I wouldn't suggest training there.
I agree with that. You really do need to know the history of your style, otherwise you can't be sure of the accuracy and quality of your instructor.

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you worked with Andre Ward? sweet I read a book on that guy.
Yeah, Andre's a fantastic boxer. He's helped me alot with my hands and my head movement, and he's a great guy.

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Originally Posted by wallysworld191 View Post
umm...every bjj guys lineage is eventually going to get there.
Not unnecessarily, which is what I was saying. Where I live, there are quite a few dogie BJJ schools, the instructor of one claims to have received his black belt from a guy who got his from another guy who got his from some random guy who claimed to know BJJ - by tracing that alone you would get a good idea as to how reliable an instructor he is.

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yeah i guess you have a point. i have had a few run ins with those types, more in mma than jitz though.

black belt degrees shouldnt be judged by the level of mullet/pony tail, or the kind of hat you wear weather it be the crocodile dundee or the cowboy.

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Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
True, In some places to get a Judo black belt it is faster then BJJ but they still have to be good and get comp points and kata and regulations apply but in some places and with some organizations however this is not the case. In one organization you get a black belt after 5 years of joining Wtf?

Point of that story is that belt ranks can be deceiving. You have to look at the credibility of the belt rank as well.

Its like this a belt around your waist means nothing.. It is a symbol to show what you have accomplished, similar to a police badge. Anyone can buy a police badge and put it on, but that dosent make you a police officer or w.e rank in w.e department, the knowledge, skills and abilities you now have because of what you went through to get that badge is.

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Here is a list of people Carlson Gracie gave black belts too:

Alan Goes (expelled)
Alberto “Apaga Vela” Dos Santos
Alexandre Macedo
Alexandre Derizans
Amaury Bitetti
Andre Pederneiras
Anselmo Montenegro
Antonio Claudio Correia Buchaul
Antonio Ricardo Bittencourt Cavalcanti
Antonio Ricardo Jardim Liborio (expelled)
Antonio “Tuninho” Rodrigues
Armando Alves “Maninho” Goncalves Filho
Arthur Virgilio Neto
Ary Galo
Braulio Carsalade
Cassio Cardoso (expelled)
Carley Gracie
Carlos “Penao”Alexandre Da Conceicao
Carlos Antonio Rosado
Carlos “Bagana”
Carlos Eduardo De Oliveira
Carlos Rollyson
Carlson Gracie Jr.
Carlson Guimaraes
Christian Kennedy Grandi
Cleiton De Souza
Clovis Rodrigues
Crezio De Souza
Daniel Cristoph
Djalma Jose De Santana Filho
Edir “Monge” Da Silva
Edson Carvalho
Elair Gilberto Da Silva Reis
Elcio Figueiredo
Fabio Macieira
Felipe Figalo Barbosa
Fernando “Nutri-Baby” Da Silva
Fernando “Pinduka” Guimaraes
Fernando Rosental
Francisco “Grego” Trivelas
Francisco “Toco” Albuquerque
Gustavo Gussem
Gutenberg Mello
Henrique Chvaicer
Isaias De Souza
Jeronimo Ventura
Joao Antonio Fernandes Filho
Jose De Oliveira
Jose Eduardo Gomes De Oliveira
Jose Mario Sperry (expelled)
Julio “Foca” Fernandez
Leo D’ilha
Luis Fernando “Nando” Da Costa
Luis Carlos “Manimal” Matheus
Luiz “Bebeo” Duarte (expelled)
Luiz Carlos Vallois
Manuel “Maneco” Maria Cardoso Neto
Marcel Duque Estrada
Marcelinho “Cremulhao”
Marcelo Alonso
Marcelo Bustamante
Marcelo “Playmobil”
Marcelo Procopio
Marcelo Tadeo De Oliveira
Marcello Saporito
Marco Aurelio Kuhner De Oliveira
Marco Aurelio Valadares Lisboa
Marcos “Parrumpinha” Da Matta (expelled)
Marcos Flexa
Marcos “Conan” Silveira (expelled)
Marcus Vinicius De Macedo Soares
Mario Cupertino
Marvin Swhab
Mauricio “Saddam”
Miguel Kelner (expelled)
Miguel “Dentista” Monteiro
Murilo Bustamante (expelled)
Orlando Saraiva
Oswaldo “Paqueta” Gomes Rosa
Oswaldo Viana
Otavio Augusto De Oliveira
Paulo Filho
Paulo “Mamao” Albuquerque Filho
Pedro De Secco
Renato “Macaquinho” Frossard
Renato Tavares (expelled)
Ricardo De La Riva
Ricardo “Rey” Diogo
Ricardo Luis Perrone
Ricardo Juca Santos
Ricardo “Kiko” Velloso
Rinaldo Santos
Roberto De Souza
Rocian Gracie
Rodrigo Medeiros
Sergio Abhimery
Sergio “De Niteroi” Iris Jose De Almeida
Sergio “Bolao” De Souza
Vinicius Cruz
Vitor Belfort (expelled)
Wallid “Paraiba” Ismail
Walter “Soldado” Da Silva
Walter “Casquinha” Guimaraes
Wander De Sousa
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