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Old 01-01-2007, 03:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Helping to train some one for an event

Bassically a freind of mine wants to compete in this ametuer mma tournament that im going to as well. He is going to fight in a weight class under mine. He has good conditioning and good muscle indurence because he is a distance runner. That alone makes this easier.

Right now my bassic plan is to have him tag along with my weight training sessions and cardio conditioning to get him used to fights. We have four months to train so I cant really get to complicated in training him for one thing and neglecting others so I am going to have to use the time properly.

Bassically this a toughy getting a guy ready from scratch in four months for a ametuer fight. So Im going to be teaching him enough striking to get by positional escapes and submition escapes. From their I think we are going to focus primarily on ground and pound.

So what are some effective take downs to learn for this aside from the double leg take down?
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Old 01-01-2007, 03:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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that sound like a lot of fun. Im going to start train more when i get out of high school.

but as for u. the givin one is the single leg but u would know that.

i dont know to many take downs as i train stand up mostly so ill leave this open to others
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Bassically a freind of mine wants to compete in this ametuer mma tournament that im going to as well. He is going to fight in a weight class under mine. He has good conditioning and good muscle indurence because he is a distance runner. That alone makes this easier.

Right now my bassic plan is to have him tag along with my weight training sessions and cardio conditioning to get him used to fights. We have four months to train so I cant really get to complicated in training him for one thing and neglecting others so I am going to have to use the time properly.

Bassically this a toughy getting a guy ready from scratch in four months for a ametuer fight. So Im going to be teaching him enough striking to get by positional escapes and submition escapes. From their I think we are going to focus primarily on ground and pound.

So what are some effective take downs to learn for this aside from the double leg take down?
Single legs are good takedowns, and highly underrated. Low Single Legs ("shoestring tackles") ala Sakuraba are also good, but are real hard to teach to use effectively in short amounts of time.

What I would readily suggest is that you work on takedowns from a Clinch position. Whether it be body lock, over-under, diagonal, collar and elbow or other sort of sloppy tie up position, learning how to take someone down or throw them (and how to defend such) from a clinch is invaluable.

If I read correctly, you are versed in Judo and a lot of sweeps and throws can be adapted for MMA. Looking over my references, I would definitely expose him to some of the basic Hip Throws (O-goshi, Uki-goshi, etc), the outside and inside sweeps (Osoto-gari, Ouchi-gari, Kosoto-gake, Osoto-guruma) and their variants.

But definitely work the clinch. Work the clinch both freestanding and against a wall. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that during a MMA fight you will find yourself either with your opponent up against the cage or ring ropes, or you yourself will be against the cage or ring ropes. Being able to take someone down from that position and being able to fight from off the cage/ropes has got to be taken into consideration.

If you want a good set of reference books, take a look at No Holds Barred Fighting: Takedowns, and No Holds Barred Fighting: The Clinch by, Mark Hatmaker. They should be fairly easy to find, they're inexpensive, and they have a wealth of material that can be used as a starting point.

Good luck.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Bassically a freind of mine wants to compete in this ametuer mma tournament that im going to as well. He is going to fight in a weight class under mine. He has good conditioning and good muscle indurence because he is a distance runner. That alone makes this easier.

Right now my bassic plan is to have him tag along with my weight training sessions and cardio conditioning to get him used to fights. We have four months to train so I cant really get to complicated in training him for one thing and neglecting others so I am going to have to use the time properly.

Bassically this a toughy getting a guy ready from scratch in four months for a ametuer fight. So Im going to be teaching him enough striking to get by positional escapes and submition escapes. From their I think we are going to focus primarily on ground and pound.

So what are some effective take downs to learn for this aside from the double leg take down?
he should also learn take down defense, i would work alot with body control, if he is going to play the gnp game. i would not worry bout the weights or cardio too much if he runs, i would have him do calisthenics. i would have him spar alot to get him use to getting touched, slammed, choked, etc. a marathon runner only has 60 seconds of air before he gasses in a combat situation.

just like you and i know judo is very good because a fight is just another day in the dojo. teach him the grip fight game, i have used this in the street to a guy that wanted to fight, i held his hands down till i saw my opening, same as in judo..

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yea Much of that running endurance is not going to carry over into fighting completely different Do lots of grappling sessions and pay attention to what Onganju said he always gives some excellent advice. If he is a beginner and the fight is 4 months away.. you guys better be training at least 5 hours a day. say an hour weating and conditioning and 2 hours of grappling and 2 hours striking. Might seem extreme but training like that will help build your endurance in the ring. Also go back and read through the trainig section on this site lots of good stuff posted by myself, Onganju and others like Ironman to name one.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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yea Much of that running endurance is not going to carry over into fighting completely different Do lots of grappling sessions and pay attention to what Onganju said he always gives some excellent advice. If he is a beginner and the fight is 4 months away.. you guys better be training at least 5 hours a day. say an hour weating and conditioning and 2 hours of grappling and 2 hours striking. Might seem extreme but training like that will help build your endurance in the ring. Also go back and read through the trainig section on this site lots of good stuff posted by myself, Onganju and others like Ironman to name one.
Thank you Don.

A few things/techniques that came to mind after I thought about being in a clinch, and takedowns. A good solid takedown that is easy to teach and utilize is the Body Lock/Crunch takedown. A simple front-side bearhug, slide the arms down to the waist/lowerback and pull them in while levering their upperbody with your head at chest level, step forward as the opponent bends back and you have a takedown.

You can also teach him how to utilize a Duck Under to take the standing opponent's back, body lock the waist from behind, step one leg out and break the opponent's balance to back and to that side to sweep them over the leg. That's a real easy takedown. Both this and the one I listed aove are in the first set of techniques in Royler Gracies Submission Wrestling book.

Also... Since this is on an amateur level, you have to keep in mind the possibility of the opponent reaching for a headlock. It's a readily available tactic that many people instinctively go for. To contend with that, get you man familiar with the Yoko Guruma (Side Wheel Throw) and Ura Nage/Back Suplex. Personally, if I don't want to hurt the other guy, I go for the Yoko Guruma. It leaves you in side control with your opponent's arm just begging to be barred.

Hope this helps. Let us know how it is coming along.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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actually what he is doing for conditioning is the same thing I do. Im making him do stations and heavy bag training. It really wears the crap out of you after an hour and its the type of conditioning you need to fight. Alot of interval training on the bike all of the guys at american top team swear by it. Then weights for muscle stamina not for streghnth.

Alot of people dont gas many people after some fighting their muscles start gassing on them. So thats important to.

I compiled a list of take downs Ive been training him in.

High side double leg take down
Bassic double leg take down
another variation of the doble leg
body lock take down
the swim (dont know what you would call it)
tomo nage (for clinch situations)
body drop take down
tai otoshi

Im going to start uploading these videos to you tube and maybee we can get a sticky for take downs in this section
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I have a list of 20 take downs that I think are essential take downs imo if your strategy is ground and pound or even for grappeling events. I split seven of them up already and im uploading them to youtube. Ive been posting up and *****ing alot on the forum so I guess its time for me to contribute lol.
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Here are the take downs im training with this guy so far. Mostly because these are ones that I myself wanted to work on so im killing two birds with one stone. As soon as he gets them down we will just start practicing throwing them on each other and the other persons objective will be to sprawl and resist. That way we get take down practice and sprawling together at once. He can sprawl pretty decent already.

Leg Pinch
Tomo Nage
The swim

Ill update as you tube clears them
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he has sprawl defence, teach the whizzer, alot of people try for a singles & ankle picks on me(which i guillotine, pull guard, or spin out as pick defence)
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