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northcoastmma 01-03-2007 04:26 AM

Kind of a beginner here
 
so i started taking bjj about a month ago. i go to class about five days a week. we work mostly no-gi becasue my coachs theory is that no-gi techniques will work wiht a gi on. We do gi work once or twice a week so we know what to expect when people do grab the gi. I do eventually want to break into full contact mma. The reasson i say im kind of a beginner is that even though i havent done martial arts before now i did wrestle for 12 years. I have no real striking experience. so basically what im asking for is some help setting a goal. I kind of want an estimate of about how long i should wait before trying my hand at mma. Thanks.

LV 2 H8 U 01-03-2007 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by northcoastmma
so i started taking bjj about a month ago. i go to class about five days a week. we work mostly no-gi becasue my coachs theory is that no-gi techniques will work wiht a gi on. We do gi work once or twice a week so we know what to expect when people do grab the gi. I do eventually want to break into full contact mma. The reasson i say im kind of a beginner is that even though i havent done martial arts before now i did wrestle for 12 years. I have no real striking experience. so basically what im asking for is some help setting a goal. I kind of want an estimate of about how long i should wait before trying my hand at mma. Thanks.

With twelve years of wrestling you could try a BJJ tournament in 3-9 mo. If your not training at Mui Thai or some other form of standup then start now! I would get at least 6 mo of standup training before fighting, at least thats what I did and I too have twleve years of wrestling.
I practice MT and BJJ every session. Wrestling is second nature at this point anyway and you'll have some habits to change from wrestling along the way.
Don't go into an MMA fight with no standup training...I recommend Mui Thai, it's a brutal style and very effective.

The Don 01-03-2007 11:04 AM

YOu'll notice a common theme among most MMA fighters nowadays.. its allbecomeing a Muay Thai BJJ hybrid.. and while both styles are very good and I do recomend them... Find something else to add to it as well over time BJJ/MT will make you like nearly 80% of the other young fighters out there. I Personally do not have MMA experience but I do have 23+ years of MA experience in about 15 different styles total Muay Thai included. and Muay Thai Mixes very well with alot of other striking forms and is a good assist for GRound and poound.but find something else to go with it.. also maybe take another grappling style like Sambo or Japanese Jujitsu just to add some varation. but yea Muay Thai would be a good foundation.

LV 2 H8 U 01-03-2007 02:15 PM

Right on, I've been learning some Sambo also.

Ybot 01-03-2007 04:18 PM

I do want to state from the beginning I am only a fan of MMA and not a fighter, so any advice I give should be taken with that in mind. I do have 6+ years of BJJ training, but never intend to fight in a MMA event.

Okay, that said,I am a a strong believer in having a very strong base in one fighting range before attempting MMA. I look at the top fighters today and they have at least one range of combat they specialize in. Whether it be striking range, clinching range, or mat grappling (top or bottom).

As a person with a wrestling background you should look for a way that you can dominate an opponent from the mat. You should have a solid top game already, and continuing with the BJJ for a year or two should give you enough background to understand and defend subs from there. In your BJJ training you should also zone in on a few bread and butter subs from the top that you can pull off, and really concentrate on reversing and sweeping from the bottom (in case you are put on your back).

Also, I would say learning how to strike from the mat, and how to defend strikes on the mat will be important. I would say a year or two training these things could make you a monster of a fighter at the lower levels of competition. This solid base after a year or two should be added upon by learning to defend at striking range, and setting up take downs off of strikes. These things will be extremely important as you progress in MMA career, but with proper management and match ups I don't believe you will have to master these things before your first fight.

Anyway, I would suggest about two years of solid training before going pro, but I know this may seem a long time. Just my suggestion though. I'm a cautious guy and would rather error on the side of being over prepared.

Of course, within those first two years there are MMA smokers you can enter, and grappling tournaments too. Competing in those amature events can help you better gauge your ability to go pro.

The Don 01-06-2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ybot
I do want to state from the beginning I am only a fan of MMA and not a fighter, so any advice I give should be taken with that in mind. I do have 6+ years of BJJ training, but never intend to fight in a MMA event.

Okay, that said,I am a a strong believer in having a very strong base in one fighting range before attempting MMA. I look at the top fighters today and they have at least one range of combat they specialize in. Whether it be striking range, clinching range, or mat grappling (top or bottom).

As a person with a wrestling background you should look for a way that you can dominate an opponent from the mat. You should have a solid top game already, and continuing with the BJJ for a year or two should give you enough background to understand and defend subs from there. In your BJJ training you should also zone in on a few bread and butter subs from the top that you can pull off, and really concentrate on reversing and sweeping from the bottom (in case you are put on your back).

Also, I would say learning how to strike from the mat, and how to defend strikes on the mat will be important. I would say a year or two training these things could make you a monster of a fighter at the lower levels of competition. This solid base after a year or two should be added upon by learning to defend at striking range, and setting up take downs off of strikes. These things will be extremely important as you progress in MMA career, but with proper management and match ups I don't believe you will have to master these things before your first fight.

Anyway, I would suggest about two years of solid training before going pro, but I know this may seem a long time. Just my suggestion though. I'm a cautious guy and would rather error on the side of being over prepared.

Of course, within those first two years there are MMA smokers you can enter, and grappling tournaments too. Competing in those amature events can help you better gauge your ability to go pro.

SOme excellent advice here, and a very good point tooMost current MMA fighter do see to have one specility espically the older guys.. though I have started to notice alot of the newer younger guys are of the BJJ/MT hybrid weather this is a good thing or bad is a great idea for a debate on another thread... but for here yea with a wrestling background.. I'd also put more focus there on ground technique with subs and such. But you do also want to get some good striking skills in case you end up going against someone with great take down defense.. Hence the Chuck vs tito fight. Chuck a great striker with great take down defense against tito a great ground fighter but average striking game.. Gonna get beat more often then not by someone like chuck. but regardless of what route you go.. you need to give it your all in training or your not going to have a shot.

IronMan 01-06-2007 12:13 PM

Good advice, YBot and Don.

BJJ and Thai are great, but it's my own opinion that even with those styles in modern MMA you need to have something else that you can throw at your opponent. If you watch Ryo Chonan v Anderson Silva, it doesn't really matter that Anderson is a Thai master and a BJJ blackbelt, because Chonan hit him with something he'd never seen before.

It's just my opinion, but I always like to have a handful of aces up my sleeve.

The Don 01-06-2007 12:29 PM

Hey Ironman.. long time...:cheeky4:

Here is another great peice of advice too for training in different styles.. learn anything anyone is will to teach you... even if you think it is useless at the time.. you never know what the future holds...

Also on instructors... some really great old time instructors out there.. a problem with some of these they beleive thier way is the best other styles have no place... when they say that.. don't argue nod your head and learn.. these types are usually not always.. masters in thier art for a reason.. its all they ever studied... and for many it is thier way of life.. they have alot to teach learn learn closely.. but do not be afraid to take other styles as well.. and try to avoid similar styles... while you'll look good in both and possibly excel in both.. its because your not really learning anything new... Example.. My best freind and one of my instructors holds black belts in two styles.. 3rd degree in Tang Soo Do and a 2nd degree in Ishinryu (sp?)karate... both have alot of similar aspects.. both are hard form and stress damaging blocks, punishing strikes and hard body training styles.. their tests are for belting are very similar at alot of the levels thier Katas are very similar with some slight varations while this sounds impressive.. my freaind has one fatal flaw... He is like a fish out of water when it comes to grappling.. so if your going to take a for instance a 2nd striking style look for something very diffeent.. say.. Tai Chi or something or even take altenate grappling styles.. there are alot of ways to train and lots of different styles..

Last peice of advice.. don't try to keep your styles different.. as I have stated I have trained to various levels about 15 differnt art forms.. but if you were to ask me to show you something from just a single one I'd have a hard time.. I have made them all a part of MY style. I could not seperate them if I wanted too or even if I had too. It will make you the best you can be.

f-dog 01-06-2007 12:46 PM

Continue working your strengths but before you enter mma competetion you'll need to focus on your weakness. In your case striking is a weakness and you need to train in that respect until its not a weakness. You may not want to become primarily a striker but you'll need to be able to hold your own in a stand up fight. Good luck.

KillerG 01-08-2007 03:18 PM

If you have no stand up game, you need to train stand up. MT is obviously a first choice due to the clinch and knee's that boxing doesnt have. But you need to guage your stand up skill after 1-2 years to see if your any good.

If your average on stand up you need to use the stand up game to take an opponent down where your more comfertable. You cant stand with a superior striker, you will be destroyed.

I would say 2 years for decent compertition you might want to enter. Of course you can enter underground MMA next week and get destroyed if you like. Just remember, if you get your arm broke due to bad reffering in a MMA match you may be screwed for a long time.


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