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Old 05-05-2010, 06:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lloyd Irvin has a great school and he started training people when he only a blue belt. My trainer is only a purple belt (part of Irvin's school) and has been training in BJJ for 7 years.

Legitimate BJJ schools require a LOT when it comes to being promoted. That's fine - It means that when you see a BJJ black belt, you know he knows his stuff. That also means that you can safely train under guys who are not black belts and still learn.
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Near where I live, a BJJ Blue Belt charges the equivalent of $15 an hour for BJJ tuition.
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Hello there

Im thinking about taking BJJ in a gym near my house.
I went to their site and noticed that the instructor "only" has a brown belt.
What do you think of that?
How big is MMA/BJJ over there in Portugal?
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Hello there

Im thinking about taking BJJ in a gym near my house.
I went to their site and noticed that the instructor "only" has a brown belt.
What do you think of that?
You do the best you can with what you've got.

There are purple belts who teach BJJ professionally, and some of them are phenomenal instructors.

Honestly, the ability to teach is not always communicated effectively by belt.

I can tell you that it's not abnormal at all for brown belts to teach, and many of them are very, very good instructors. If the one near you is, then go and work with him.
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You do the best you can with what you've got.

There are purple belts who teach BJJ professionally, and some of them are phenomenal instructors.

Honestly, the ability to teach is not always communicated effectively by belt.

I can tell you that it's not abnormal at all for brown belts to teach, and many of them are very, very good instructors. If the one near you is, then go and work with him.
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In my personal opinion the belt ranking system had very little legitimate meaning. I've seen white belt strikers KO brown belts, and seen the same with submissions. One aspect of the belt system I do agree with is the distinction between brown and black. This distinction is that, a brown belt is a technically versed practitioner of the art. Black means the user is versed enough in the eyes of his teacher to teach others.

So the answer would be no. A brown belt is not technically able to teach, his own teacher has not endowed on him enough respect to say, "you can teach what I've taught you." However, who's stopping him?
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In my personal opinion the belt ranking system had very little legitimate meaning. I've seen white belt strikers KO brown belts, and seen the same with submissions. One aspect of the belt system I do agree with is the distinction between brown and black. This distinction is that, a brown belt is a technically versed practitioner of the art. Black means the user is versed enough in the eyes of his teacher to teach others.

So the answer would be no. A brown belt is not technically able to teach, his own teacher has not endowed on him enough respect to say, "you can teach what I've taught you." However, who's stopping him?
I think you're making a mistake with respect to the operational function of the BJJ ranking system.

Many of the most competent, technical and effective teachers (and, for that matter) competitors in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu don't have blackbelts. When Marcelo Garcia won Abu Dhabi the first time, he was a brownbelt. There are a number of other brown and purple belts who are just as competent as blackbelts. That's the reality of BJJ.

In other martial arts, blackbelts are often not qualified teachers.

If BJJ wasn't taught by purple and brownbelts, at least half (and that's a conservative estimate) of all BJJ gyms would be without an instructor.

Given that it takes at least three to five years to get a purple belt in BJJ (typically 8 to 10 to advance to brownbelt) for anyone without a serious grappling background, it seems that the advancement is substantial enough that non-blackbelts make for seriously competent instructors.

This is my experience in BJJ, as well as a generally accepted practice in the BJJ community.
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I think you're making a mistake with respect to the operational function of the BJJ ranking system.

Many of the most competent, technical and effective teachers (and, for that matter) competitors in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu don't have blackbelts. When Marcelo Garcia won Abu Dhabi the first time, he was a brownbelt. There are a number of other brown and purple belts who are just as competent as blackbelts. That's the reality of BJJ.

In other martial arts, blackbelts are often not qualified teachers.

If BJJ wasn't taught by purple and brownbelts, at least half (and that's a conservative estimate) of all BJJ gyms would be without an instructor.

Given that it takes at least three to five years to get a purple belt in BJJ (typically 8 to 10 to advance to brownbelt) for anyone without a serious grappling background, it seems that the advancement is substantial enough that non-blackbelts make for seriously competent instructors.

This is my experience in BJJ, as well as a generally accepted practice in the BJJ community.
Its probably the Karate in me. In all of my experience, as well as with Shotokan in general. Its pretty much a kihon/kata/kumite ability checklist that gets you a Brown Belt. From there its a matter of having the dojo master's respect and trust before recieving the Black Belt. Which is very likely a different concept than that of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. As you know from previous conversation I'm not the most versed BJJ guy.
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