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Old 01-22-2007, 06:46 AM   #21 (permalink)
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no he did not, what he ment was because he read rule #8...
"8. Small joint manipulation." it is against the rules
STFU n00b i'm right
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:49 AM   #22 (permalink)
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no, this is why there is no hapkido in the ufc

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Old 01-22-2007, 02:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Maybe pure anything doesn't work against mma experience. But, it seems to me that Matt Hugh's submitted Deisel by rolling into a kimura and using gokyo (aikido) to effect the submission. So,,,
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:15 PM   #24 (permalink)
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To tell you the truth, wrist locks are a bunch of garbage, if you have a strong guy you will never get his wrist to bend. Also in 90% of tournaments their ilegal.
Now... Risking the scenario where I may read as being confrontational, I have to ask: Do you really know what you are talking about?

Case in point: Do you know what the first control/concession hold taught to Police Officers in both the civil and military fields happens to be? The first concession hold is the "Come Along" a wristlock used to secure a criminal/perp out on the street so that they can lever them down to cuff them. This is used in real life-threatening situations outside of "competition" and has been trained so for years. In fact, they are taught that before learning how to do a rear naked choke (or lateral vascular restraint hold). I don't see how you can't get more "combat applicable" than police work.

Second case in point: Assuming the name and avatar, I suspect you are familiar with the Gracies, correct? Can you tell me how Royce Gracie won his fight with Chad Rowan (aka "Akebono") in their K-1-Premium 2004 Dynamite match? That's right... By wristlock. According to your logic, with such a size and strength difference it should have been impossible for that "garbage" technique to work right?

Third case in point: For hundred of years, even before Mitsuyo Maeda exposed the sons of Gastão Gracie to his Kosen Judo Techniques, catch and submission wrestlers have used wrist and hand control (by grabbing the hand or fingers instead of the wrist) to assist in arm-drags, or take down set-ups. Why? Because they knew the discomfort created by the hold go a far way in comparison to fighting the strength of an opponent's whole arm.

Personally, I find that you can easily incorporate wristlocks when applying armbars, triangles, or the many variations of ude-garami (entangled armlock) by simply adjusting my grip two inches. Sure, my opponent may be worried about their elbow and may fight an armbar easily before it is locked, but once they feel their wrist compress, fold or seperate they tend to forget about their elbow real quick making the armbar that much easier. I'm only 5'4" and have been able to Sakuraba my way out of quite a few sparring partners grips because the wristlock is always there.

See what I mean?
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:26 PM   #25 (permalink)
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To tell you the truth, wrist locks are a bunch of garbage, if you have a strong guy you will never get his wrist to bend. Also in 90% of tournaments their ilegal.
bicep slicers, biting, eye pokes, illegal because they work, and have a good chance of possible injuries.
your a fool to think wrist locks (aka small joint manipulation) don't work. think if they did not work, why are they illegal in tournaments????
because they work.... and possible injuries
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I thought you could use wrist locks in UFC. I just never could figure out why no one used them. seems like a good idea when you are on the grond or wrestling.
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Thanks for the lucid comments.
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Old 01-29-2007, 12:28 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Wrist lock

I would use the other hand to grab that hand. I especially like the position of the guy in the camoflage's thumb position very good position. I worked in law enforcement for 5 years, and that is a really good move. The problem is getting a person locked in this far is kind of difficult unless they are drunk. Which is pretty common in a street fight just a drunk guy acting like an ideot. This way you do not have to punch them in the face or anything and risk catching your knuckle on a tooth or messing up your hand. I do not think they guy sould get into a golfing type position though if anything he needs to move in closer for more leverage. If he had the wrist locked turning the other way yes. golf type position use a pulling type motion to help get the wrist around.
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To tell you the truth, wrist locks are a bunch of garbage, if you have a strong guy you will never get his wrist to bend. Also in 90% of tournaments their ilegal.
I know that Ong has already made you look like an idiot, but this is more of a personal experience I had using a wristlock.

In a fight at a party, I'm about 145-150 and the other guy is about 210-220 (hell, I don't really know, but he was big).

He swings at my face.

I get out of the way and use a basic wristlock in Aikido (Nikkyo) and he tries to push right out of it.

I just apply a little bit more pressure to the lock and SNAP!

Well, he was in a cast for a little while.

Anyone who thinks wristlocks don't work has never been beaten up by a 60 year old Asian woman with a black belt in Aikido. (I'm not going to lie, I have)

You Sambo, BJJ and wrestling doesn't help you when your in a lock that you've never seen before and you feel like your entire arm is just going to fall off of your body.

Just attack your local Aikido instructor, you might get to see exactly what I'm talking about.
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Old 01-31-2007, 11:51 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Is that you Josh Barneff? Are you calling me an idot? Who is Ong? Is that a picture of you in the Avatar, and footage of you in the video? I never claimed to know everything. That is why this is a discusion board. I am learning. I do not believe I deserve to be called an ideot.
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