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Old 01-18-2007, 06:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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good stuff....i learned the supinating one off some clip and the pronating one off the E. easy to get and hurts....works when someone is grabbing your shirt like a hockey style fight. they work and easy to learn.
that's why they don't allow them in the ufc.

also the hyperflexing one looks cool i wanna learn it!
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I love the wristlocks. I often have a hard time landing them though. I figured they didn't have them on UFC because the gloves would get in the way, and that it's kind of a high risk move.
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I love the wristlocks. I often have a hard time landing them though. I figured they didn't have them on UFC because the gloves would get in the way, and that it's kind of a high risk move.
Yeah, very hard to land with any kind of grappling glove on, but still very good to know for a quick end to a streetfight.
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good stuff....i learned the supinating one off some clip and the pronating one off the E. easy to get and hurts....works when someone is grabbing your shirt like a hockey style fight. they work and easy to learn.
that's why they don't allow them in the ufc.

also the hyperflexing one looks cool i wanna learn it!
if you wanna learn that, go do some aikido. you will learn alot of wrist locks.

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most of the throws are forced by using wrist locks. i did not continue, because i like judo a lot better, but aikido did give me good outside footwork, great falls, understanding of joint manipulation, how to use a sword not kendo style, but more one slice one kill.
i did not like the pre-choreographed punch defenses, and when my uke gave no resistance or would throw themselves to the ground off my failed technique really bothered me. i see it may be for safety reasons... someone tries to resist a wrist lock and SNAP!!!!

judo was better for me because i felt like i must work for my throw. i like the resistance of my opponent, and i knew if i got a throw it was all done by me
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I like them a lot. someone on another forum says this
" if somone is grabbing ur shirt really hard. there is no way in hell u can get there hands of ur shirt not alone the wristlock."
lol, i want to see an aikido practiconer get him in one.


would you use two hands from here to finish it or strike with the other?

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I like them a lot. someone on another forum says this
" if somone is grabbing ur shirt really hard. there is no way in hell u can get there hands of ur shirt not alone the wristlock."
lol, i want to see an aikido practiconer get him in one.


would you use two hands from here to finish it or strike with the other?

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i personally would use two hands in the photo, my right hand is control and i would place my second hand on top for extra pressure
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I like them a lot. someone on another forum says this
" if somone is grabbing ur shirt really hard. there is no way in hell u can get there hands of ur shirt not alone the wristlock."
lol, i want to see an aikido practiconer get him in one.


would you use two hands from here to finish it or strike with the other?

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Funny that... You really don't need to get their hands off your shirt to put them in a wrist lock. In fact, they might even be helping you out in some instances.

Now in that pic, you can establish control without breaking things outright by using your free hand to take control of their elbow, circling away from them with your right foot and dropping levels to put them on the ground. To facilitate that, you would push the wrist down while levering the elbow up to lever them onto their side or back. I would then use the superior position to decide to strike them (soccer kicks and stomps being among the choices), or to secure a concession hold. You could strike with the free hand, but the two-on-one control is very strong if you've already got their wrist locked up like that.

I guess it would depend ont he situation.
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Funny that... You really don't need to get their hands off your shirt to put them in a wrist lock. In fact, they might even be helping you out in some instances.

Now in that pic, you can establish control without breaking things outright by using your free hand to take control of their elbow, circling away from them with your right foot and dropping levels to put them on the ground. To facilitate that, you would push the wrist down while levering the elbow up to lever them onto their side or back. I would then use the superior position to decide to strike them (soccer kicks and stomps being among the choices), or to secure a concession hold. You could strike with the free hand, but the two-on-one control is very strong if you've already got their wrist locked up like that.

I guess it would depend ont he situation.
true,i like the two on one due to the control factor, i like to push down with my thumbs straightening my arms onto a "golf" style stance
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would you use two hands from here to finish it or strike with the other?
There is the pin follow up and just the basic throw.

Generally, more students are taught to use two hands so that they have more control over the technique, but higher level students just use one for the initial throw.

As for the pin, you have to use two to put yourself in a position for it.

Personally, I'd just use the throw and follow up with some groundnpound and whatever else comes to mind, but if he has a knife or something, the traditional teaching is to use the pin. (The throw will force the knife out of their hand, but if you use the pin it's much easier to take control of the knife)

I've also found that the throw moves pretter cleanly into a rolling armbar attempt.

The other ones I suggest looking at, just for people who don't intend to study Aikido, just use it, are Nikkyo and Sankyo.
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The two-on-one control is definitely ideal. Even if the person is smaller than you, if they struggle you aren't gauranteed the same type of control. If the person is bigger than your (or stronger than you) the one-on-one can be a lost cause.

I found this little clip here from one of Jackie Chan's old films "The Young Master." In the last fight he faces off against Wong In Sik, and they use the fight scene to show case Sik's Hapkido techniques. At around 2 minutes and 59 seconds of the clip, Sik begins applying a chain of wrist, finger and arm locks (some of which are really cranked). It's good stuff, and it shows a glimpse into the wide variety of wristlocks in existance.
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