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lucifora 10-18-2010 10:25 AM

Judo or Freestyle Wrestling?
 
Hey I was just wondering what do you guys think I should learn (I'm going to do both but I'm thinking I should focus more on judo). Which one is better/more effective?

A little about me, I've been boxing for about 12 years so my hands are pretty good, I'm in awesome shape (good cardio, explosive, etc) and I just started doing jujitsu but I'm catching on quick.

mastodon2222 10-18-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifora (Post 1285684)
Hey I was just wondering what do you guys think I should learn (I'm going to do both but I'm thinking I should focus more on judo). Which one is better/more effective?

A little about me, I've been boxing for about 12 years so my hands are pretty good, I'm in awesome shape (good cardio, explosive, etc) and I just started doing jujitsu but I'm catching on quick.

Take the best of both - practice single and double legs, ,reversals and overall ground control in wrestling, but don't waste any energy on turning the guy over or "pins" cause they're not worth alot in MMA...big negative on Judo is how much they rely on the gi, so try to train some no-gi judo...I'm not an expert but just my 2 cents in training in both, good luck and have fun.

BantamBanger 10-20-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mastodon2222 (Post 1286004)
Take the best of both - practice single and double legs, ,reversals and overall ground control in wrestling, but don't waste any energy on turning the guy over or "pins" cause they're not worth alot in MMA...big negative on Judo is how much they rely on the gi, so try to train some no-gi judo...I'm not an expert but just my 2 cents in training in both, good luck and have fun.

I agree. I trained in judo for two years and ive done mma type wrestling for a year and wrestling is alot more effective in every situation. Judo is extremely devastating on the street however but its just unrealistic against a well rounded fighter IMO.

xeberus 10-26-2010 04:30 AM

i gotta go with free style wrestling. im by no means a great bjj artist. but what I do know is that i've been training bjj for less than a year and because of my wrestling background I am already a blue belt in bjj.

i wasn't going to flaunt this around the forum, but to show im not just bullshitting i won first place in a no-gi intermediate grappling tournament in the past month largely because of my wrestling ability.

Squirrelfighter 10-26-2010 12:44 PM

They both have certain advantages, however I would suggest Judo.

I cannot explain in words how frustrated I get watching fighters in the cage who are grappling on their feet, but never go for body throws, hip tosses, or leg sweeps. Things I ddo and think about doing on instinct. IMO Judo includes a great many techniques that are the perfect counter to not only most grappling clinches, but also the Thai clinch(not to say other forms of grappling dont include these, I'm just not educated in those). There are also many ground position techniques which are just as useful as BJJ, however I have found there are significantly more, at least from my training, movements designed to finish off one's back, not just sweep, which is advantageous against wrestlers.

There are many aspects of wrestling that are also very important. The single and double, top control, guard passes. These are all major groups of techniques that are essential to MMA groundfighting.

As said above there are possitives to both and you should train all the major aspects in both if possible. Starting with only one, go with Judo IMO. It's groundwork focuses on fighting off the back as much as on top, and it adds a lot of versatility to your takedown ability.

xeberus 10-27-2010 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirrelfighter (Post 1291590)
They both have certain advantages, however I would suggest Judo.

I cannot explain in words how frustrated I get watching fighters in the cage who are grappling on their feet, but never go for body throws, hip tosses, or leg sweeps. Things I ddo and think about doing on instinct. IMO Judo includes a great many techniques that are the perfect counter to not only most grappling clinches, but also the Thai clinch(not to say other forms of grappling dont include these, I'm just not educated in those). There are also many ground position techniques which are just as useful as BJJ, however I have found there are significantly more, at least from my training, movements designed to finish off one's back, not just sweep, which is advantageous against wrestlers.

There are many aspects of wrestling that are also very important. The single and double, top control, guard passes. These are all major groups of techniques that are essential to MMA groundfighting.

As said above there are possitives to both and you should train all the major aspects in both if possible. Starting with only one, go with Judo IMO. It's groundwork focuses on fighting off the back as much as on top, and it adds a lot of versatility to your takedown ability.

Yea wrestling is more like don't ever get on your back/get off your back as soon as possible mentality. I personally don't like fighting off my back, im just not dangerous to anyone who has any bjj experience from the bottom :( . but more than that I never feel threatened when im solidly on top, i mean a couple black belts could sub me from bottom if I got overzealous but being on top is a great place to be.

And their trips are rather awesome. The guy I grappled for 1st place was big into judo and right off the bat tripped me and put me on my ass. I mean I reversed it got the double leg and took him down almost instantly but im very rarely put on my ass.

Freelancer 10-28-2010 02:00 PM

If you are practicing BJJ do Judo as a complementary art. If you are doing grappling, do wrestling.

FGr1p63 02-13-2011 12:32 PM

IMHO any of the two would work, its just a matter of how good you work on the techniques and personal taste. If you ask a guy who practices judo you'll get his answer as judo and a free style wrestling guy would recommend wrestling so its up to you if you can do both then its fine.

lucky13 02-28-2011 06:39 PM

i think that freestyle wrestling focusses more on body positions and stuff and would help u wayyy more in mma. i think judo is garbage. just my opinion. but i am a wrestler. and do bjj and muay thai. never wrestled or fought a judo guy.

Hennessy 02-28-2011 07:05 PM

like the others already staded, both have their strong points. In the end I think it comes down to why you wanna learn it.

Want to be a more complete fighter?, maybe even entering MMA - I suggest wrestling.
if you want to improve your self defense I'd rather say Judo.

But since you will do both I guess you answered your question already didn't you? :)


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