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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 02-04-2007, 07:51 PM
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I must commend you on your patience, Onganju. At times, I find it difficult to tolerate some of the ignorant diatribes from individuals on this forum who know virtually nothing about martial arts but instead act as if they know more than a Grandmaster.

This belligerent attitude that I see from these individuals is the antithesis of the majority of the teachings of martial arts which emphasize respect and discipline.

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I'd love to see somebody who is trained in JJJ go against BJJ Boy and to put him in his place. JJJ, most schools, are trained to take down your opponent as fast as possible. They use more than wrist locks. They do just about all joint manipulations along with some chokes.

Like others have said, just because JJJ isn't suitable for the ring doesn't make it any less of an art. By your logic, Krav Maga and Systema are also wastes of time since they can't be used in the ring even though those are relatively easy to learn and can be brutal.
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Mehh... This is just a forum. I keep myself sane by keeping it in perspective. It's really no big deal either way, and the personality types are in no way anything new to anything I haven't seen/read before.

It just pains me to see when someone else puts them in much bigger position than they are. It's also a trend that I see all too often now that anything associated with "Traditional Martial Arts" is too easily deemed useless.

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Mehh... This is just a forum. I keep myself sane by keeping it in perspective. It's really no big deal either way, and the personality types are in no way anything new to anything I haven't seen/read before.

It just pains me to see when someone else puts them in much bigger position than they are. It's also a trend that I see all too often now that anything associated with "Traditional Martial Arts" is too easily deemed useless.
Here's a question: wouldn't Muay Thai be considered a TMA? I say that because the art itself is fairly old. I know Kyokushin Karate could be considered one and it can be just as brutal as Muay Thai, depending on the level you're at.
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Simply put, BJJ focuses more on Submissions and ground work. Which is much better for MMA.

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Here's a question: wouldn't Muay Thai be considered a TMA? I say that because the art itself is fairly old. I know Kyokushin Karate could be considered one and it can be just as brutal as Muay Thai, depending on the level you're at.
Considering it's roots go back further than many of the widely accepted TMA's, yes. However many people don't even look that far into a Martial Art. Hell, most are more concerned about if they get belts or not and how fast they can get them. I would realistically consider modern Muay Thai as a more sportative Martial Art, just like Boxing, Wrestling, Judo or Submission Wrestling.

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Considering it's roots go back further than many of the widely accepted TMA's, yes. However many people don't even look that far into a Martial Art. Hell, most are more concerned about if they get belts or not and how fast they can get them. I would realistically consider modern Muay Thai as a more sportative Martial Art, just like Boxing, Wrestling, Judo or Submission Wrestling.
Would you consider Muay Thai a TMA if you learn it in Thailand? The only reason I ask is because it is a lot more spiritual and there's more than just the competitions in Thailand.

But ya, there are some really awesome TMAs, just look at internal arts such as Tai Chi, Qi Gong and Yoga (not power yoga, but other schools such as Hatha Yoga).
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Would you consider Muay Thai a TMA if you learn it in Thailand? The only reason I ask is because it is a lot more spiritual and there's more than just the competitions in Thailand.

But ya, there are some really awesome TMAs, just look at internal arts such as Tai Chi, Qi Gong and Yoga (not power yoga, but other schools such as Hatha Yoga).
No... Not really. The reason being is that in Thailand, they'd teach you Muay Boran instead if you were looking for its more "traditional" form. The Wai Kru, the music, the ritual of sealing the ring are definitely traditions tied closely to Muay Thai, but I think that is more indicative of Muay Thai's prominent role in Thai culture in general. You have to keep in mind that MT is the National Sport of Thailand and over 90% of the male populace has practiced it and trained at some point in their lives. MT is more important to the Thais than Baseball is to Americans.

I think most don't give TMA's enough credit. Furthermore most don't look into them deeper than what they see on TV, the Movies, or in the Cage/Ring. There is a large part of the Martial Arts that many people neglect away from gaining their next belt or winning their next tournament. Everyone wants to know if they can kick high, break things or make someone fall into uncosciousness. Not everyone considers learning how to avoid having to use what they learn in the first place. In that regard, if that is all that we strive for, what makes any Martial Art any more noble or worthwhile than Soccer or Bowling?

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Having tried both JJJ and BJJ I have to say that I prefer BJJ by a mile due to the more physical aspects of the training. Whilst JJJ does have a lot of effective moves, the training methods I encountered always invloved training with a passive opponent - The total opposite to 'alive' BJJ training we do at SBG Aberdeen. Also, at the JJJ class I attended, there was no sparring allowed 'due to the destructive nature of the moves' which is bullshit as long as everyone who trains uses common sense when doing submissions.
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The reason being is that in Thailand, they'd teach you Muay Boran instead if you were looking for its more "traditional" form.
I've read in various places that it's very hard to find a place to learn Muay Boran, even in Thailand. Most schools claim to teach Muay Boran, but they actually teach Muay Thai (or so I've heard).
I mean, in my opinion, it is a traditional martial art...people just changed it to be sport-friendly - like Karate, or other sport-TMA's. I dunno, I'm not too familiar with all of this sport vs real use stuff.

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I think most don't give TMA's enough credit. Furthermore most don't look into them deeper than what they see on TV, the Movies, or in the Cage/Ring.
*Nods* Yeah, most people (including myself a while back) thought that if a MA does not work in the ring, it will not work in the streets. Of course, now I'm not such a dunderhead. Lol.

But yeah, JJJ is good for real life use, but I wouldn't really recommend it only because most JJ schools don't have live-sparring - which BJJ schools do. I mean, BJJ isn't ideal for self-defense, but when are you ever going to use "advanced grappling" in a street fight. It's not like BJJ/JJJ masters run around mugging people. Lol.
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