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Old 02-05-2007, 07:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Having tried both JJJ and BJJ I have to say that I prefer BJJ by a mile due to the more physical aspects of the training. Whilst JJJ does have a lot of effective moves, the training methods I encountered always invloved training with a passive opponent - The total opposite to 'alive' BJJ training we do at SBG Aberdeen. Also, at the JJJ class I attended, there was no sparring allowed 'due to the destructive nature of the moves' which is bullshit as long as everyone who trains uses common sense when doing submissions.
In actuality that isn't a new practice by any stretch. In fact, the one thing that made Kano's approach to training so "revolutionary" at the time was that he encourage randori saying that it was vital for the mastery of the art. Even then, there are techniques that are taught but not allowed in randori or competition like the Dakiage (high hip lift/powerbombing an opponent in gaurd), or Kawazugake (single-leg entanglement throw/russian leg-sweep). BJJ does the same with a large variety of Neck Cranks, Heel Hooks, and Compression locks like bicep and calf slicers.

However, if the teacher of the art is willing to make an effort to begin applying techniques in a live setting they would probably be able to figure which JJJ can be used regularly in randori. Obviously a lot of wristlocks, fingerlocks (a favorite of mine), eye-gouges and groin attacks wouldn't be readily available for normal sparring, but you would still be better off with that over nothing. It really is symptomatic of the training method over anything specific to the actual style.

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But yeah, JJJ is good for real life use, but I wouldn't really recommend it only because most JJ schools don't have live-sparring - which BJJ schools do. I mean, BJJ isn't ideal for self-defense, but when are you ever going to use "advanced grappling" in a street fight. It's not like BJJ/JJJ masters run around mugging people. Lol.
Exactly... Most schools do not. It would be the same thing if you went to a "Cardio Kick Boxing" place over a full blown Kick Boxing or MT gym. All the more reason to be picky with the places you choose to train at.
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Wow... I really don't know what to respond about this. I will say that the new breed of "MMA FIghting Elitists" that tout BJJ and MT as the end all/be all styles to train in are just as annoying and ignorant as the TMA marketers from the 2 decades preceding UFC 1.

I will only say this once: Look your shit up, before you spew ignorant crap like this. Maeda's style of Judo that he taught to Gastao Gracie was not the Kano methodology that became modern Judo. Maeda's style was older (Kosen Judo) that he dubbed Ju-Jutsu as it wasn't in a form readily practiceable by the masses. It was the literal form of JJJ. If that "waste of youre life" view was shared by Helio's father, then BJJ would not exist.
THANK YOU!!!!!! for this post because in sick of people dissin traditional ju jitsu its not all stand up it just not ground based like BJJ
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:33 AM   #23 (permalink)
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But yeah, JJJ is good for real life use, but I wouldn't really recommend it only because most JJ schools don't have live-sparring - which BJJ schools do. I mean, BJJ isn't ideal for self-defense, but when are you ever going to use "advanced grappling" in a street fight. It's not like BJJ/JJJ masters run around mugging people. Lol.
Some JJ schools don't do live sparring, but it really depends on the individual instructors. There are alot of younger, up-and-coming JJ instructors that are starting to teach the more practical applications of JJ.

I definitely see what you're saying, though. It's not really built for streetfights nearly as much as it's built for BJJ competition and other MA grappling competitions.

I will say this, though, I have used grappling in streetfights a few times and Ill take traditional JJ, just because I don't have to go to the concrete. A standing armlock works just fine.
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Old 02-09-2007, 05:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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JJJ i guess would be preferable if you are learning a MA for basic self defense, fun and fitness kind of thing. Im currently learning that now. Its excellent for a "drunken brawl", you'd have them on their ass and break their arm in 5 seconds.

But for ring/cage work it has to be BJJ. its more focused on that type of fighting, and good for it as long as you have stand up skills as well, but not so great for street fighting if there is more than one person, it teaches a lot of ground work and thats not good if their friend can kick you in the head.
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