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Obliterate 02-03-2007 05:41 AM

The difference between Ju Jitsu and BJJ?
 
Hi all

Ok it's really hard where i live to find decent training places, i've been trying to find one that does BJJ and have managed to track one down 40 miles away, but just last week a centre opened up near me that taught regular Ju Jitsu. Everyone always seems to mention Brazilian Ju Jitsu over the regular version, what are the main differences between the two?

Many thanks for the help!

SuzukS 02-03-2007 08:10 AM

The traditional (or 'regular') Ju Jitsu is more like Judo (so I hear) as it is Japanese. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is more ground based and modified by Helio. BJJ is more aggressive too and I suggest BJJ over JJJ anyday. Look around more as there could be some BJJ schools more closer.

Zapatista 02-03-2007 06:35 PM

Jujustu (or JJJ, Japanese Jujutsu) is different from BJJ in many ways. One thing is that the majority of the JJJ techniques won't transfer into the ring because they are combat techniques. There is also striking in JJJ but not all schools teach that. JJJ also has Katas (though they are 2 people instead of just one).

Basically, if you're going to do MMA don't start in JJJ. What you should try to find if you can't get BJJ is Judo. It transfers well into MMA and it is sport compatible, so just about everything will transfer into the MMA ring. Plus, I've heard people say that Judo adds a lot to the ground game because the rules in Judo make it so getting a submission while on the ground is limited in time so the judoka are more explosive at getting submissions.

Trainee 02-04-2007 02:22 PM

From what I've read up on these two combative arts, they're similar, but very different. JuJutsu (JJJ) is more of a no-rule self-defense system. Anything is allowed, even biting, eye-gouging, hair-pulling, and stuff like that. JJJ practitioners focus on throws and some standard stand-up techniques, as well as some ground work. It's pretty balanced out, so you don't do particulary well in a particular situation. This could be a good and bad thing. Depends on the situation.

BJJ is a lot more focused on ground work. Some schools teach basic stand-up, but some don't. I think they don't focus on throws too much (maybe not at all). A lot of their joint locks are much more dangerous (or so I've heard) than those of JuJutsu's. It's more compatable with MMA, because it's all about submissions and your position on the ground, while JJJ is all about real combat.

That's the basic differences, to my understanding. I could be totally wrong though, lol. Hope I helped.

Onganju 02-04-2007 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
Normal JJ (Japense JJ) Is stand up, they throw and do wrist locks standing. BJJ (Brazillian JJ) Is grappling, youre on the ground choking each other and breaking limbs.


JJJ is a waste of youre life, BJJ is the best thing that will hapen to you.

Wow... I really don't know what to respond about this. I will say that the new breed of "MMA FIghting Elitists" that tout BJJ and MT as the end all/be all styles to train in are just as annoying and ignorant as the TMA marketers from the 2 decades preceding UFC 1.

I will only say this once: Look your shit up, before you spew ignorant crap like this. Maeda's style of Judo that he taught to Gastao Gracie was not the Kano methodology that became modern Judo. Maeda's style was older (Kosen Judo) that he dubbed Ju-Jutsu as it wasn't in a form readily practiceable by the masses. It was the literal form of JJJ. If that "waste of youre life" view was shared by Helio's father, then BJJ would not exist.

Zapatista 02-04-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
Normal JJ (Japense JJ) Is stand up, they throw and do wrist locks standing. BJJ (Brazillian JJ) Is grappling, youre on the ground choking each other and breaking limbs.


JJJ is a waste of youre life, BJJ is the best thing that will hapen to you.

JJJ isn't "a waste of your life" and BJJ isn't "the best thing that will happen to you" either. There are tons of submission arts that all work in MMA and in real life. I think you watch too much UFC though, since the majority of the people there train in Muay Thai and BJJ and that's about it. Other arts such as Sambo, Freestyle Wrestling, Greco-Roman Wrestling, Shoot wrestling, Judo, or more general Submission Wrestling all work well if the fighter is well trained in that art (and in some cases make modifications to their art, such as Greco-Roman Wrestling not giving their back to their opponent, which is supposedly common among that style of wrestling but that will easily lead to your downfall in MMA).

The thing is, JJJ isn't optimal for MMA but that doesn't mean there aren't things that will transfer from that art to the ring. I wouldn't train in it for sports since there are a lot of things you can't use in MMA, but that doesn't mean it is a waste of a life.

Onganju 02-04-2007 03:29 PM

Ugh... Again, you are missing the point. Again, do some real research before you start making yourself look idiotic. I will excuse so much toward being young and not knowing better, but FFS we live in the time of the internet and the path to information is less than a few minutes and few clicks away.

Trainee 02-04-2007 05:42 PM

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Man, youre starting to piss me off. Im telling this guy not to waste his time on a pethetic martial art when it comes to fighting, if he wants a more non realistic martial art then he should go ahead and do JJJ, and yea im a kid but that no an excuse, i know about mma alot more then most people, when it comes to BJJ i know more then 90% of these forum people.
Let me make something clear to you: MMA is sport. When you train in MMA, you train according to the damn rules - for self-defense, it isn't too good. I mean, yeah, you could use it against a kid at your school. You could even show off with it - which you apparently do on the forums and in school ("lolz im the tough guy in my school. im invincible cuz i noe bjj. dont retaliate after this, or else, lolz").
You obviously have a superiority complex because your martial art is dominant in the UFC. That sort of mentality goes against the original principles of Mixed Martial Arts. Don't insult Onganju, he's one of the most helpful people at this forum, and the most knowledgable. He knows more than you'll ever hope to know, seeing as how you're single-minded and really damn stubborn.

Just to let you know, contrary to what people like you believe, there are traditional martial artists that'll destroy a MMA champion in a no-rules situation. Of course, these same styles are rendered useless in the ring, where there are rules. Who would you say is the better fighter - one who needs rules to protect him and use his style? Or the one who can fight in any situation and deal with any sort of attack?
So, please, grow up and open your mind..."be water, my friend..."

EC_Raider_07 02-04-2007 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
Man, youre starting to piss me off. Im telling this guy not to waste his time on a pethetic martial art when it comes to fighting, if he wants a more non realistic martial art then he should go ahead and do JJJ, and yea im a kid but that no an excuse, i know about mma alot more then most people, when it comes to BJJ i know more then 90% of these forum people.

That's laughable. If you know so much about BJJ, how comes you don't know how to get down to your weight class. =) (Which you shouldn't be doing at your age, anyways.) Part of martial arts is knowing your body, and you obviously don't.

Onganju 02-04-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
Man, youre starting to piss me off.

Good. Then get yourself some real knowledge. Grow up and let your balls drop.
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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
Im telling this guy not to waste his time on a pethetic martial art when it comes to fighting,

If that "pethetic" martial art didn't exist, neither would BJJ. Do you get my point now?
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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
if he wants a more non realistic martial art then he should go ahead and do JJJ,

Or become a Pro-Wrestler. Guess what? He'd still end up in better physical condition and skill to be able to handle himself against 90% of the average people he would run into on a regular basis.
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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
and yea im a kid but that no an excuse,

Exactly... Just because you are 13 do you think I'm going to be nice if you're being ignorant, or grossly stating stupid things?
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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
i know about mma alot more then most people,

No you don't.
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Originally Posted by BJJ Boy
when it comes to BJJ i know more then 90% of these forum people.

Ummm... No you don't. Otherwise you would have an idea of BJJ's roots and history. There are a lot of people who practice here on the Forum (myself included) who have been on this earth longer than you. There are also a lot of people who may agree with you on a few things, but they aren't coming to your defense because you are posting your thoughts like an elitist, no-it-all douche. You know just enough to get yourself hurt, and that's worst than knowing nothing at all and being able to admit it.


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