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Old 01-28-2011, 11:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I personally found 'TMA's' Usefull at the beginning as an introduction into martial arts. The discipline is good and helps you focus on technique rather than brute force like a lot of 'brawlers' you see in quite a few mma gyms.

|I also found that, like myself, people who started in sports 'tma' seem to have a lot of respect towards others and other martial arts.

Which brings up another point, which I should post in a different thread but for now Ill do it here.

One of my pet hates is, for example, a big built guy comes to our gym, puts on a pair of gloves and swings wildly with no concearn for others safety and calles himself a 'cage fighter'
They then go on to fight in local shows agains other people who are exactly the same and become "succesfull 'cage fighters'" at their level.

Is this not watering down the sport? I see more of these brawlers in local small shows than fighters with real skill and determination to be good at their craft.

It seems a real shame.

but that brings me to my original point that in TMA's they teach you respect, form and discipline above all else which stayed with me through my progression into MMA.
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Old 01-28-2011, 11:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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One of my pet hates is, for example, a big built guy comes to our gym, puts on a pair of gloves and swings wildly with no concearn for others safety and calles himself a 'cage fighter'
They then go on to fight in local shows agains other people who are exactly the same and become "succesfull 'cage fighters'" at their level.

Is this not watering down the sport?
No, they remind us that good technique is not everything in fighting, but that brute force and a certain attitude actually do play a big role, too.

But then again, in any devision below HW they will very quick get serious problems in being successful with their method. And in the gym, I just wouldn't train with people who show that they don't care about their training partner's health.

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No, they remind us that good technique is not everything in fighting, but that brute force and a certain attitude actually do play a big role, too.

But then again, in any devision below HW they will very quick get serious problems in being successful with their method. And in the gym, I just wouldn't train with people who show that they don't care about their training partner's health.
I think that at HW it has the most to do with the skill gap thats ever present at that weight. In this case they are the lower half of that skill gap.

But there are precious few HW fighters with great technique at the lower levels. I suspect as more and more aspiring fighters begin to train, this skill gap will diminish, but with a weight class that spans 60lbs, there's bound to be more wiggle room for the inferior technique-ers.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'd say that at HW the power the guys have usually is so great that lucky punches are just more likely than in the lower classes.

But I agree that with MMA becoming more and more popular skill levels will definitely rise.
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The type of person I mean isn't a good hw brawler like the successful ones you see.
I mean like a street brawler who has had a few bar fights. In my area its too common to see bar fights brought into the cage. And I don't just mean at hw. I see it at all weights.
Infact in the local shows around here there aren't that many hw fighters mw seems to be the top end.

Luckily there are two quality shows in my home town where they do actually care about match making to make a good event.
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We go to Sakura here in Missoula and it's awesome. Anyway its very traditional and has kicked out some pro MMA fighters and a lot of amateur's as well.

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The setting is the same though, you are still going to bow on and off the mat and follow tradition. IMO thats good, respect is taught and all the people that train there feel more like extended family.
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We go to Sakura here in Missoula and it's awesome. Anyway its very traditional and has kicked out some pro MMA fighters and a lot of amateur's as well.

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The setting is the same though, you are still going to bow on and off the mat and follow tradition. IMO thats good, respect is taught and all the people that train there feel more like extended family.
That sounds really good. Modern and old techniques and respect and so on. Thats the balance that I think is missing in some clubs.

Plus as you said your all going to feel bonded.

I have trained with Combatbase for years now and we are all well bonded. We all have mutual respect for old and new.

There was one club I ventured to once. It was a kickboxing (american style) club not far from me.
The instructor basicly made an example of newcomers and hit them hard and hit them alot. No technique was learnt from it just a beating.

That is not the type of club which does any martial art any good. Infact if I were a newcomer that would probably put me off.
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Sounds nasty, I dont know if you can call Bushidokan a traditional Martial art per se but in the way its taught is what I was focused on.

We took one of the girls to a MMA gym and it was ok not great, everyone thought they where the next UFC champ and it was just not for us but the girls love the place we go to now.

In the 4 weeks they have been there, Ive seen them go from couch potato's to really fit kids. Both just got a white belt and are loving it.
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