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Trainee 02-15-2007 04:21 PM

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu good for high school wrestling team?
 
I wanted to join my high school's wrestling team next year and I was wondering if BJJ was good preparation for that.
Thanks.

BJJ Boy 02-15-2007 04:24 PM

Of course, but thiers one thing you have to look out for, they do massive take downs, when they take you down youll be paralized for a few seconds. And watch out, wresting use stranger submissions.

Trainee 02-15-2007 04:33 PM

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Of course, but thiers one thing you have to look out for, they do massive take downs, when they take you down youll be paralized for a few seconds. And watch out, wresting use stranger submissions.
Cool thanks, are there any specific moves that I should watch out for? I don't know anything about submission wrestling. If you have any good videos or anything that might help me out, I'd appreciate them.
Also, would all BJJ moves be allowed in that type of wrestling?

Thanks, and my fault for going off on you in your muay thai thread. I was in a bad mood, lol.

BJJ Boy 02-15-2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainee
Cool thanks, are there any specific moves that I should watch out for? I don't know anything about submission wrestling. If you have any good videos or anything that might help me out, I'd appreciate them.
Also, would all BJJ moves be allowed in that type of wrestling?

Thanks, and my fault for going off on you in your muay thai thread. I was in a bad mood, lol.


Haha np, well you HAVE to look out for double leg take downs, wrestlers always go for them! And they like to sorta stand, unlike bjj'ers we stay lower. ALso, if its at a highschool, 90% of the wrestlers dont know how to wrestle, if you actaully take bjj lessons, then you probably come in 1st alot. You also might wanna talk to doublelegtakedown, i believe he takes wrestling.

Onganju 02-15-2007 07:38 PM

If you are talking about High School wrestling, I will let you know right now that they aren't the most compatible styles to use. Generally speaking, the games are much too different.

In wrestling you are going to be concerned with takedowns, riding and pins. Those are generally universal aspects in the grappling game that carry over well to BJJ. Most of the time that's where the styles stop complimenting each other.

For instance, in wrestling you never go to your back. If you do, that's a pin and you lose. In wrestling, there may be some turns and pinning combinations that are painful for the recepient, but there are no true "submission holds." If you put on a neck crank, choke, armlock or leglock in wrestling, you'll get DQ'd.

Generally speaking, if you are already in BJJ and you are going to start wrestling in High School you are going to have a few things going for you right off the bat:

1) Your conditioning should be better than normal.
2) You should be comfortable with moving and scrambling on the mat.
3) YOu should already have a fundamental grasp of takedowns and how to control/ride your opponent.

However, if you keep in mind that the game of one is completely different than the other, you might find yourself falling into habits that don't carry well. If you roll with the differences consciously upfront in your mind, you shouldn't be at a horrible disadvantage. You are just going to have to stop and take a second before you notice your opponent is feeding you an arm or a choke.

kishiro 02-15-2007 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainee
I wanted to join my high school's wrestling team next year and I was wondering if BJJ was good preparation for that.
Thanks.

judo would be much better than bjj for high school wrestling.. i say this because, wresting is to not get pinned, in bjj you spend a lot of time pulling guard. judo helps alot more in the standup part of the game, doing takedowns, slams, impact control, body control to pin. wrestling is a very explosive sport, judo guys it is the same way very explosive. in wrestling there are many big slams, judo will help you get used to taking those, and you will also learn in air body maneuvering to help prevent against pins, when in bjj you will try to be working guard and chokes are not in wrestling.

Zapatista 02-15-2007 10:08 PM

the one thing that I know is a huge difference between BJJ and Greco-Roman Wrestling (most likely the style you'd learn in high school) is that in Greco-Roman, it's okay to give your back to your opponent whereas if you give somebody your back in BJJ you're pretty much screwed.

nswrestler 02-19-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kishiro
judo would be much better than bjj for high school wrestling.. i say this because, wresting is to not get pinned, in bjj you spend a lot of time pulling guard. judo helps alot more in the standup part of the game, doing takedowns, slams, impact control, body control to pin. wrestling is a very explosive sport, judo guys it is the same way very explosive. in wrestling there are many big slams, judo will help you get used to taking those, and you will also learn in air body maneuvering to help prevent against pins, when in bjj you will try to be working guard and chokes are not in wrestling.

yeah judo would definitly be better prep for hs wrestling than bjj,you'd be at a huge advantage with the number of throws you'd have at your disposal,95% of the wrestlers would not know what hit them.Im saying this from experience that judo guys are very hard to handle,especially when you know they're a good judo guy,and its in the back of your head that you could be tossed for big points.

kishiro 02-19-2007 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nswrestler
yeah judo would definitly be better prep for hs wrestling than bjj,you'd be at a huge advantage with the number of throws you'd have at your disposal,95% of the wrestlers would not know what hit them.Im saying this from experience that judo guys are very hard to handle,especially when you know they're a good judo guy,and its in the back of your head that you could be tossed for big points.

vice verse, for them wrestlers in the judo game, wrestlers have insane body control once your under a wrestler your only getting up until they let you up. explosiveness is one of thier main weapons

IronMan 02-20-2007 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Trainee
I wanted to join my high school's wrestling team next year and I was wondering if BJJ was good preparation for that.
Thanks.

Honestly, they are really compatible at all as far as the style of competition goes. If you are going to compete in high school wrestling in America, it will probably be folkstyle, and I've competed a little bit in that. It's totally different from submission wrestling.

Judo will probably help more because at least you will learn some takedowns, but BJJ won't teach you the same kind of ground control that they use and a solid submission will get you DQ'd from a high school wrestling competition. It's happened to me before.

I suggest actually training in wrestling if that's what you are going to compete in. BJJ and wrestling are very compatible for Vale Tudo competitors. But for what your talking about you need to learn pins, direct entry takedowns, tie-ups and wrestling-style scrambling. You will get none of that in a BJJ class.

Here's my advice when I simplify it:

If you want to wrestle, learn to wrestle.


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