I am a beginner level BJJ student, I just started my first class tonight and it was fun but pretty tiring. I was recently talking to a friend and he said that the fatigue he recieves from sparring in kickboxing (or chinese kickboxing, clinches/throwing) is far greater than the sparring in BJJ.
As a less experienced martial artist, is he correct in this or totally bias and one sided to the kickboxing aspect?
boxing(i can't use mt as an example, never done it) & bjj are both tiring, but in diffrent ways. i found judo makes me just as tired as both of these arts but brings the pain, due to me getting slammed for 2hrs straight.
To me bjj is more tiring only because the guys I train with are much bigger than me and I have to work harder, then again I am constantly grappling only to take a few breaks in between to get water when I only go three minutes a round while boxing with 30 sec rest in between rounds
I don't think it's the sparring that gets him tired. I mean, grappling is more tiring than stand up fighting.
I think it's because he probably has to hit the bags and keep kicking/punching these bags for minutes at a time without breaks. That gets anyone tired fast. So his kickboxing class is probably more tiring, not the sparring.
Dunno, ask him, lol.
There is generally more cardio activity involved in kickboxing at the beginner level, but once you get up to a more advanced level, I think that grappling is much more tiring.
As a kickboxer, you start off working on building up cardio and striking ability, then you refine the technical aspects. As you get to be more technical as a striker, you use less energy when you spar. This makes kickboxing easier as you get to a higher level.
With grappling, espcially with takedowns, you start with working on technique and alot of beginners take a lot of time to rest when they are sparring. They get into a position and then they lock down so that they can recover and then they make the next more. Once you get up to a higher level in grappling that doesn't happen any more.
I am a grappler, so I am biased, but I have also trained in boxing. The difference between the physical exertion of a beginning boxer and an advanced boxer is usually pretty similar. If anything, the advanced boxer exerts himself less because he has better form.
In grappling, form is just a way of making your explosiveness more efficient. So an advanced level grappler continues to be explosive, and usually builds on that explosiveness as they train by working physical conditioning into form as well.
Another thing to take into consideration is the resistance factor. When a boxer strikers, generally he has the restistance of his glove + the resistance of air + the resistance of whatever part of his opponents body he ends up striking. That last part might seem like alot, but generally it's not as much as a grappler, who has to exert himself against the full body weight of an opponent for long periods of time. (sometimes actually having to life that weight in the takedown)
Depends how hard each person works during that session if your just starting and doing the basic"easier" stuff and he sits there and hits some punching and speed balls well kb is morte tiring but if it was full out with pshyical training it wouldnt matter which is more tiring all you would know is that your both half dead.
To expand a little onto what he has already stated, a lot of the fatigue factor is related to the individuals.
If you spar with an experienced wrestler, and you are out of shape, it is entirely possible for you to be completely exhausted in 40 seconds. Literally exhausted as if you just got done with a marathon hour long workout.
Wrestling against a good wrestler will force you to move quickly (cardio) and push and pull his body weight (weighlifting).
If there is little action and your opponent isn't pushing you. You could end the first two minute period with no significant fatigue. This wouldn't mean that wrestling got any easier, just that there was no exertion.
As was stated in Ironman's post, an experienced practitioner of any discipline will not waste any energy.
Kickboxing is similar to wrestling in that you could be fatigued quickly under the right circumstances.
Try throwing six puncehes and six high kicks from both sides of your body full force in the air as fast as you can with no rest until you're done with all six. Go all out and see if you are breathing a little harder after hitting nothing.
BJJ would be the same. An experienced opponent leaning on you and forcing you to carry his body weight and constantly work will have you mentally and physically exhausted quickly if you are inexperienced or out of shape.
They are both awesome, where I go they make it intense no matter which class you do, if he sees that you are not working hard enough or sweating he incoporates other drills inbetween your training. Intense stuff check it out Bruce Drago
To expand a little onto what he has already stated, a lot of the fatigue factor is related to the individuals.
If you spar with an experienced wrestler, and you are out of shape, it is entirely possible for you to be completely exhausted in 40 seconds. Literally exhausted as if you just got done with a marathon hour long workout.
Wrestling against a good wrestler will force you to move quickly (cardio) and push and pull his body weight (weighlifting).
If there is little action and your opponent isn't pushing you. You could end the first two minute period with no significant fatigue. This wouldn't mean that wrestling got any easier, just that there was no exertion.
As was stated in Ironman's post, an experienced practitioner of any discipline will not waste any energy.
Kickboxing is similar to wrestling in that you could be fatigued quickly under the right circumstances.
Try throwing six puncehes and six high kicks from both sides of your body full force in the air as fast as you can with no rest until you're done with all six. Go all out and see if you are breathing a little harder after hitting nothing.
BJJ would be the same. An experienced opponent leaning on you and forcing you to carry his body weight and constantly work will have you mentally and physically exhausted quickly if you are inexperienced or out of shape.
when i first read the thread title i thought it was gonna be a dumbass thread about what style wins between boxing and grappling or something.....gladly it isnt
BJJ/grappling in general focus muscle strength, explosiveness, muscle memory (so does everything in the sport), stamina, footwork (yes, there is footwork on the ground) etc.
I think that alot of people are under the impression that you can take breaks whenever you want in a grappling match/grappling training. You have to keep moving (or at least keep pressure coming so that your opponent has to keep moving).
There is a great deal of brute muscle involved in grappling. There is in striking, too, but the majority of the distance that your foot/knee/foot travels is through the air for the majority of the time, while and entire takedown or submission is applied with an opponent fully resisting.
They are both hard, but everything that you stated applies to both.
BJJ/grappling in general focus muscle strength, explosiveness, muscle memory (so does everything in the sport), stamina, footwork (yes, there is footwork on the ground) etc.
I think that alot of people are under the impression that you can take breaks whenever you want in a grappling match/grappling training. You have to keep moving (or at least keep pressure coming so that your opponent has to keep moving).
There is a great deal of brute muscle involved in grappling. There is in striking, too, but the majority of the distance that your foot/knee/foot travels is through the air for the majority of the time, while and entire takedown or submission is applied with an opponent fully resisting.
They are both hard, but everything that you stated applies to both.
For sure. There's alot of core movement in all grappling system. There's core movement in striking too, but, like I said, grappling requires more explosiveness in the core muscles (abs, hips, pecs and back).
boxing(i can't use mt as an example, never done it) & bjj are both tiring, but in diffrent ways. i found judo makes me just as tired as both of these arts but brings the pain, due to me getting slammed for 2hrs straight.
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