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Old 01-21-2012, 02:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Breaking down a stronger guy's posture from the guard?

I have a training partner who has the obnoxious habit of grabbing my wrists and pinning them to the floor whenever he's in my guard. He seems content to just nullify me and do nothing else. I can momentarily peel his hands off by opening my guard and bringing my knees up. But I'm not really able to do anything significant in the brief lapse that follows and we just end up in the same position again. Ideally I'd like to break his posture down by grabbing the back of his head, pulling him down, and then going for a kimura,elevator sweep,or guillotine. Any ideas?
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The best way to break posture is by using your legs, not by simply pulling his head down.
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I have a training partner who has the obnoxious habit of grabbing my wrists and pinning them to the floor whenever he's in my guard. He seems content to just nullify me and do nothing else. I can momentarily peel his hands off by opening my guard and bringing my knees up. But I'm not really able to do anything significant in the brief lapse that follows and we just end up in the same position again. Ideally I'd like to break his posture down by grabbing the back of his head, pulling him down, and then going for a kimura,elevator sweep,or guillotine. Any ideas?
I have a lot of experience with this exact problem. When I started training I used to just get bulldozed by bigger guys who wouldn't try to open my guard, but just pin me and sit in it until I opened it, and then try to work to pass. I have picked a few guys brains on the subject, and their answers have worked a lot for me. Here are my suggestions:

1.) Sit up on them. This is a piece of advice I have heard over and over and over from guys much better at jiu-jitsu. If you sit up and grab the head quickly, now the pressure is on them. Unfortunately, if he's grabbing your wrists and actively pinning you, you're not going to be able to do this without opening your guard and scooting your ass back shift the angle. It is a great piece of advice, but really only applies when the guy is sitting back.

2.) Bring your knees to your chest. It sounds like you've already worked this out, but it is very important to do it with a closed guard. Personally, I find it helpful, especially if the guy is leaning in a little bit to increase that pressure. It'll often totally kill his posture, especially against new guys, and allow you to work your guard up higher.

3.) Make sure your guard is high. Attacking him from his hips can be effective, but it is going to require you to open your guard way more often than attacking from when your thighs are in his ribcage and armpits. When your guard is higher, you don't need to open your guard dramatically to attack him. This was a piece of advice I got from a purple belt I was working with for a while, when he realized that I basically had no closed guard game. Having the guard high on his body is often much more threatening, and may force him to let go of your wrists to try to work your legs, and then you're on offense.

4.) Sometimes you just have to be patient. Getting relaxed from your back can be very difficult, but I think that it is important to remember that sometimes you are just going to need to learn to be comfortable in uncomfortable positions. One of those positions is going to be when a guy is applying direct pressure to your body and controlling your limbs. If you don't feel threatened from such a position (and if, incidentally, you are ahead on points in a match) you have the benefit of playing it cool for a while and letting him make the first move before you mount your counter-attack.

Hope that was at least somewhat helpful. I realize that those things can be challenging, since they're more theoretical than detail specific, but the details are going to depend a lot on your preferred attacks and counter-attacks from the closed guard.
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I have a training partner who has the obnoxious habit of grabbing my wrists and pinning them to the floor whenever he's in my guard. He seems content to just nullify me and do nothing else. I can momentarily peel his hands off by opening my guard and bringing my knees up. But I'm not really able to do anything significant in the brief lapse that follows and we just end up in the same position again. Ideally I'd like to break his posture down by grabbing the back of his head, pulling him down, and then going for a kimura,elevator sweep,or guillotine. Any ideas?
If he's posting with his hands on the floor, he's just asking to be kimura'ed. You don't need to break his posture; instead, Let him do it to one of your hands, keeping fighting for grips and when you get one hand free, sit up with him, reach over his posted arm and try a kimura.
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I have a training partner who has the obnoxious habit of grabbing my wrists and pinning them to the floor whenever he's in my guard. He seems content to just nullify me and do nothing else. I can momentarily peel his hands off by opening my guard and bringing my knees up. But I'm not really able to do anything significant in the brief lapse that follows and we just end up in the same position again. Ideally I'd like to break his posture down by grabbing the back of his head, pulling him down, and then going for a kimura,elevator sweep,or guillotine. Any ideas?
I wonder if we had the same training partner...lolz! It's funny because when that happens you're thinking, "ok...now what." Remember this if he has your wrists pinned down you legs are mobile. I'd set up the triangle, omoplata, or simply stick my knee, shin, or feet in his face...he'll let go. I found the most success guilotining bigger guys...going for the kimura then wrapping my opposite arm around their necks in one motion...a diversion if you will. It's tough to get key locks or arm bars cuz they're so much bigger and can power out of it.

But yah grappling with bigger dudes is the most draining thing ever. I've been playing around with leg locks. One of the first was Ken Shamrock with his heel hooks, then you got Toquino now with his vicious torques and Charles Oliveira with a calf slicer. That is such a cool submission.
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