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Old 04-29-2008, 10:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
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In its original form, Muay Thai consisted of an arsenal of nine weapons - the head, fists, elbows, knees and feet - known collectively as na-wa arwud. Although in modern Muay Thai, both amateur and professional, headbutting an opponent is no longer allowed. Muay Thai is unique in the way it uses all parts of the body, including the elbows and knees, for both training and competitions.

I really do not understand why head butting is illegal.

The Wikipedia article goes on to say that the forward knee strike is the most lethal strike.

Are knee strikes legal in MMA fights?

I downloaded and watched the second Bas Rutten
"Takedowns" video. I learned something. I thought at first he was slapping his opponent. But then I realized he was using the heel of his hand instead of his fist. It was very effective. But his knee was the most effective. It really smashed the guy's face! Ok, Jiki, I am beginning to understand.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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bas rutten was fighting in and it was illegal to use a fist thats why he was striking with his hand hill or something lol bas is great pancration
head butts are illegal because they are devastating and u dont need any real skill to use it , head butts can injure person really really really bad ... anyway
knees are legal and elbows 2 .
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:06 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I will have to make an effort to learn what is illegal in MMA and Karate Tournaments.

I know we don't want organized fights to the death. But where is the line drawn after that?

Are the rules set up to to prevent permanant injury? Is that the guideline?

But isn't the purpose of Martial Arts to deliver devasting strikes? And isn't it the aim of the Martial Artist to injure the other person really bad before he injures you?

I have learned that the only way to stop an attack from a belligerent / aggressor / bully is to threaten and/or mount more force than than him. Therefore it is difficult for me to promise I would not try to head butt some SOB.

I am not a killer, but I do have one big fault. I was bullied so much when I was young that I am just not going to put up with it anymore. Sorry, but yes, I would permanantly injure someone to make him leave me alone.

I guess the laws in some States say you have to try to get away first. Ok, I will make sure they see me try to get away first. Then.....

I heard that Florida has a "Stand Your Ground" Law. Legally, you don't have to try to get away before you shoot them with your pistol! This law was made because the older people in Florida wanted it.

I am really surprised that it is against the rules to use your fists!?!?!?
Bas Rutten says he is a good striker. Is there some fight where he does use his fists? I would sure like to see it.
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I am adding this to my post concerning the Florida Law; Those of us interested in our responsibilities in Self Defense would do well to find out what the law in your state says you must do. Some states say that you have a duty to retreat before you use force against an attacker!
From: http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli...efense-law.htm
The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:

It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.


In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.


If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.
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You may also be interested in seeing this Wikipedia article concerning the "Castle" law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine

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