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post #31 of 41 (permalink) Old 03-17-2008, 05:33 PM
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I can't believe that so many people think that CC would lose this fight.

I see CC KILLING HMC with leg kicks and then taking him down to get full mount.

The only reason Fedor couldn't take him down is because he knew he didn't have to. The fight was a joke and Fedor knew it. This fight will be a joke and CC knows it to.
I favor Cro Cop slighty, but really can't see him taking Choi down even if that is his plan...He is going to have to do a lot of dancng on his feet...
I really disagree with your Fedor commentary, because Fedor was getting a bit desperate with taking him down because he appeared to have no intentions of wanting to stand with him...which was very smart...
I don't think Cro Cop is going to see this as a joke...things are a lot different in the ring than they are on paper...

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Ever heard the term, "chopping down the tree"? Leg kicks do a lot more then just hurt. They take away the abilty to balance properly and they make it really hard to set your feet. After 10-15 of CC's massive leg kicks, he might just fall over. And no, I'm not joking.
Yes, I realise that might happen, but Idon't think it will. Choi is too big and too strong. Crocop better bring an axe if he wants to knock Choi down that way.

Fedor tried his ass off to take Choi down, and failed. Well, he didn't fail, But Choi actually took him down the first time, and landed on top of him the second.

You seriously think Fedor put himself in those positions purposefully?
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Ever heard the term, "chopping down the tree"? Leg kicks do a lot more then just hurt. They take away the abilty to balance properly and they make it really hard to set your feet. After 10-15 of CC's massive leg kicks, he might just fall over. And no, I'm not joking.
Hong has hung with the top of K-1 so do you think Cro Cop is that much better than the top of K-1.

Especially when Hong will have on 5 oz gloves which will give him even more power.
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post #34 of 41 (permalink) Old 03-17-2008, 05:47 PM
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It would seem that HMC made a much bigger impression on you guys then he did me.

Lets watch the fight again. http://www.mmatko.com/fedor-vs-hong-...deo-yarennoka/

What I see is Fedor getting the better of what little stand up there was and Fedor PULLING HMC to the ground for his take downs.

Yes, I know that Hong has HEAVY hands and that he makes Fedor look like a child when they stand next to each other. But this fight was a joke to begin with.

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Hong Man Choi is a much harder opponent than Kharitonov, i think Kharitonov is not what he was in say 2004.

Chois size alone and the fact that he isnt a complete goof for his size makes him a hard match up for alot of guys.

And why were people wanting Cro Cop vs. Moe?? Hong man just beat Moe? So why can't Hong Man vs. Cro Cop be just as legit?? Someone answer me that ffs.

Fedor fights I want to see..

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Fedor vs. Andrei Arlovski - DEMOLISHED

hmmmmm, i wonder how many become reality..

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What I see is Fedor getting the better of what little stand up there was and Fedor PULLING HMC to the ground for his take downs.
You clearly have no idea what you are watching.
First takedown attempt: Fedor clinches. Is immediately overpowered by Choi, who drives him down landing in half guard positiion.
Second takedown attempt: Fedor clinches. Gets a full body lock. Attempts to throw Choi, fails with Choi landing on top of him in half guard yet again.

You seriously think this is what Fedor was going for?
I am not even going to comment on the damamgedone to fFedors face....apparently caused by Fedor rubbing his face on the mat going for armbars lol.
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Im going to end Chirs and Negation's lil brawl they got going on right now. It all comes down to who you feel is the better striker. This fight will have nothing to do with Choi's wrestling prowess or whether Fedor wanted to be on his back or not. This is a fight between 2 kickboxers. Crocop will not try to take Choi down and neither will Choi. If you think Mirko is going to win, you must feel he is the better striker. Me I feel that Choi is far to big for Crocop and will overwhelm him at some point. Look what happened when Mirko faught a striker that was bigger than him(Kongo). He got bullied and didnt look the killer that we are used to seeing. It happened against Hunt as well.




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This will basically be a K-1 kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, lol. Hong is a proven K-1 level striker and so is CC. I think CroCop will keep his distance and chip and HMC. CroCop is very elusive on his feet and I think he'll outwork HMC with his footspeed.

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I agree with your gameplan on how Cro Cop could win the fight, but don't you think that his speed has seemed to slow down enough that it won't be an overwelming factor?
Also, do you think that Cro Cop possesses the same pure punching power as Mighty Mo?
I'm more talking about his reaction time, and hand speed, it's still rediculously fast, not as fast as it once was, but still fast.

And no, he doesn't have the punching power of Mighty Mo, but he has pretty powerful hands and kicks which he works very well in combos.

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Exactly, Cro Cop hasn't exactly looked like a cheetah in his last few fights. He's been slow and lumbering. Choi is about as fast as a snail, but when you pack ridiculous power it only takes a shot or two.
Again, I'm talking about his reaction time and hand speed, their still pretty fast and compared to Choi's, theyre like lightening.

Also, Choi has strong hands, but he's way too slow to KO anyone. Most of his KO's have come against virtual nobodies who really suck, like 3 against AKEBONO!. Look at his fights against, smaller, quicker guys like Bonjasky, Saliga and JLB. They used their speed and more advanced arsenal to outscore him and even KO him.

Kongo used his reach and kicks to outscore and keep Mirko away, plus, he's a much better striker than Choi. Choi doesn't have those kicks, and all he has is the jab, which is child's play for Mirko.

If Mirko can keep his cool and not get frustrated to the point where he cracks (like against Hunt, Kongo, and Fedor) He has this in the bag.
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I'm not suprised, I don't see why any of you are either. Crocop is still apparently shaken from his losses in the UFC and is still sooking very tentative from Gonzaga KTFO'ing him. They'll give Crocop another few more tune up fights, then they will give him some serious competition. Although, what serious competition is there in the DREAM heavyweight division? Regardless, HMC is definately going to be a tough threat to Crocop if the fight materializes.

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