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Old 04-06-2009, 02:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I like Aoki but BJ is a much better fighter. I don't know about whether or not BJ would beat Mach though because he has shown a lot of overconfidence in his one dimensional standup over the past several fights and if he tried that with Mach he could get knocked out or get his knee blown out by one of those leg kicks. He is the better fighter but the better fighter doesn't always win at the top levels of the sport.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:00 AM   #12 (permalink)
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i agree with BJ > Aoki, but i honestly dont believe he got exposed like how Crocop and Chuck Liddell did. He did get caught and lost, we all know in the world of MMA anything could happen in any given day.

To me, it seemed like Sakurai was very well prepared and ready to FINISH THE FIGHT. I was impressed compare to his last fight against mediocre level fighter

I do hope this though, Aoki needs some STAND-UP skills if he wants to be #1 in MMA, not submission fighting.

It doesnt matter he got KOed on the ground, he needs to step it up and takes some punches to the face, instead of being too scared and taking fight to the ground which EVERYONE EXPECTS HIM TO DO NOW. Despite the fact that grappling is his strongest asset. Or at least learn how to properly GROUND N POUND and not hitting back of his opponent's head for 1-2 minutes.

*He was outweight by Sakurai who has tons of experience with KO POWER and he didnt have much time to put some weight n muscle on unlike BJ PENN who had couple of months.

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Old 04-06-2009, 02:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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From a non-nuthugger's perspective, Penn would box Aoki's head off.

BJ is the number 1 lightweight.
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Aoki "got caught"? I don't think so. Sakurai didn't wing a wild knee out there. He used good technique to get off his back and immediately was controlling Aoki's head. Shinya had no choice but to eat those knees, which were pinpoint precise.
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Old 04-06-2009, 07:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Aoki "got caught"? I don't think so. Sakurai didn't wing a wild knee out there. He used good technique to get off his back and immediately was controlling Aoki's head. Shinya had no choice but to eat those knees, which were pinpoint precise.
And the look on Aoki's eyes told me all I needed to know before the first knee hit him.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:17 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Aoki "got caught"? I don't think so. Sakurai didn't wing a wild knee out there. He used good technique to get off his back and immediately was controlling Aoki's head. Shinya had no choice but to eat those knees, which were pinpoint precise.
By getting "caught", I don't mean that he ate a lucky punch/knee that ended the fight. I meant he ate a knee due to a mistake that ended the night. It is no disrespect towards Sakurai, it is simply an argument that you can't really determine much from the fight. Sakurai got a good reversal, which put him in a bad position, and ate a vicious knee from it. It barely gives you anything to extrapolate from. You can determine far more from GSP's domination of Penn than you can from one reversal and one knee.
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I know there are ton of Aoki fans on this sight, but can this fight please put to rest this Aoki hype to rest. I dont wanna hear excuses about him fighting at WW, because unlike BJ against GSP. Aoki was the bigger man agains Sak. All AOki has to do is fight a guy that can strike with good submission defense and he is exposed.

Hansen has KO'd him recently at LW, and now Sakurai Ko's him in 27 seconds. BJ may have ogt beat up by GSP, but Sak is no GSP and BJ last 4 grueling rounds with a man that outweighed him by 20 pounds.

Both AOki and BJ belong at LW but BJ showed me that he is so superior to Aoki by watching what Sakurai did to him. I would love for BJ to go to Japan for one fight to fight Aoki. The result would be exactly like the Sakurai fight. BJ would nulify any sub attempt Aoki threw at him, then he would punch and knee his face into oblivion.

On a side not, Aoki is much bigger than I thought he was. I dont think size was an issue in this fight with Sak He just got outclassed. And Im very happy about it.

Edit: BJ would beat Sakurai, and beat him easily.
Bigger fighter? He was fighting at lightweight, essentially. I think he was arrogant going into this fight, or maybe just embracing that Japanese fight for entertainment attitude (much to his detriment). In any case, he's still the man.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:10 PM   #18 (permalink)
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By getting "caught", I don't mean that he ate a lucky punch/knee that ended the fight. I meant he ate a knee due to a mistake that ended the night. It is no disrespect towards Sakurai, it is simply an argument that you can't really determine much from the fight. Sakurai got a good reversal, which put him in a bad position, and ate a vicious knee from it. It barely gives you anything to extrapolate from. You can determine far more from GSP's domination of Penn than you can from one reversal and one knee.
Sakurai is a tiny WW. If he was in the UFC he would be a LW. How can you compare GSP and Sakurai, thats nuts.

How can rank AOki #1, seriously? He lost at LW to Hansen in convincing fashion. Since going back down to LW, BJ has been unstoppable. Then you gotta go with the eye test, which fighter is better? BJ is better in every aspect of mma except fighting off his back, Aoki has a more dangerous guard. But BJ is the better LW and hasnt lost there in years. Aoki has gotten knocked out cold at LW then he fights a WW that isnt even ranked and gets KO's in 27 seconds. But sure, Aoki is the better fighter
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Sakurai is a tiny WW. If he was in the UFC he would be a LW. How can you compare GSP and Sakurai, thats nuts.

How can rank AOki #1, seriously? He lost at LW to Hansen in convincing fashion. Since going back down to LW, BJ has been unstoppable. Then you gotta go with the eye test, which fighter is better? BJ is better in every aspect of mma except fighting off his back, Aoki has a more dangerous guard. But BJ is the better LW and hasnt lost there in years. Aoki has gotten knocked out cold at LW then he fights a WW that isnt even ranked and gets KO's in 27 seconds. But sure, Aoki is the better fighter
His loss to Hansen is hardly proof positive of his skills. When was the last time Penn fought in a tournament and had to fight a fresh fighter after having winning a hard fought decision against a fighter like Caol Uno? That win has meaning of course, but not as much as you are leveling on it.

Also, your "eye test" doesn't mean anything in terms of rankings. For one, it is completely subjective. You definitely have an argument that Penn is more well rounded, but that isn't what the rankings are about. Plus, your opinion that Penn would beat Aoki also means nothing. Aoki beat Eddie Alvarez who a lot of people were arguing would give Penn a run for his money.

All that truly matters are record and recent wins (including the quality of fighters those wins are over).

Aoki, like Penn, only has one loss against a LW and that is to Hansen at the end of a tough tourny. He also has wins over Cavalcante, Hansen, Caol Uno, and Eddie Alvarez. Penn has wins over Sherk, Joe (the perpetual Gatekeeper) Stevenson, and Jens Pulver (who is basically a declining FW).

Aoki's wins at LW are far more impressive than Penns. In fact, Penn's only really impressive win at LW was against Sherk.

The Sakurai fight, no matter what you want to argue due to Sakurai's size, has no bearing on the LW rankings because the fight was at WW. It means zip, squat, zilch, zero.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Aoki is bigger than Sakurai.
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