Originally Posted by jdun11
Youo AOki fanboys claim all these grea wins from these "great" guys he's faught. Sherk would FCUK up any LW over in JApan and BJ KO'd and beat his face in doing it. In 2008, Aoki LOST to Hansen in devastating fashion. How the hell can a guy that lost at LW in 2008 be the #1 LW. He isnt even # 2 in my book. Sherk would fcuk up, guys like Thompson and Melendez would as well. Tyson Griffin, Kenny Florian are all better fighters than Aoki. He is just hype. His LW wins arent even that good. There are at least 5-6 guys in the UFC that would KO him in the first round. Alvarez mnade a stupid mistake and would beat him in a rematch. Any wrestler that can strike would mess this fool up.
I love grappling but this guy is afraid to fight. Same thing with Royce, afraid to get hit and never evolved. If Aoki doesnt expand his game and go to train on striing for a whole training camp or for a whole year, or work on wrestling for a whole year. He will not matter in 2 years. He will go the way of Gomi.
I thought you gave up with this "argument"? Your opinion of what fighters would beat Aoki means absolutely nothing. Sherk would probably beat Aoki in the UFC where wrestlers have a huge advanytage in both the cage and judges, but not in japan where they don't put such a ridiculous amount of weight upon "octagon control".
As to the loss in 2008 you speak of, against Hansen, it doesn't have that much weight for two reasons. 1) he has already beaten hansen before, 2) it was a tournament format in which he had just fought another tough LW. Penn doesn't have any comparable fights so it is ridilous to compare. Plus, you still haven't actually addressed the fact that Penn's only big win at LW recently is against Sherk. That's it.
Why does he have to "evolve"? He has perfected submission MMA. Is this any different than a standup fighter who only trains enough wrestling and jitz to keep the fight for where he wants? Not really. I'm sure he has trained enough striking and wrestling to aide his submission game. I have no idea why you think he needs to "evolve" when he is enormously successful the way he does it.